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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: A12] #2705790
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To this day I still wonder what would be more enjoyable- A 2 stroke or 4 stroke. In the 70s all but Honda made made enduros with both power plants. Well honda had the moto cross CR and then the XR. Yamaha had DT and XT. Suzuki had PE and SP and kawasaki had their KE and KLX. I like the appearance of that 4 stroke jug and head better but the simplicity and acceleration of the ring dinger was sweet. Honda did have their MR but discontinued it early and went ahead with the XR XL.

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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: 2boltmain] #2705921
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I used to have a Honda CR125 two stroke and then bought a CFR250 four stroke and the 4 stroke was much more flexible and easier to go fast on for longer. The two stroke was very fast, but required max. effort out of the rider.

Place I used to ride had huge hills and the 4 stroke could start at the bottom and make it all the way up. The two stroke would only make the hill if you had a run at it.

In the sound department the two stroke wins. I also liked the feeling of the powerband coming on. Four strokes are almost too smooth.

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MikeR - Any pics or videos of yesterday's riding?


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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: BradH] #2706468
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Originally Posted by BradH
MikeR - Any pics or videos of yesterday's riding?


Hi Brad, I'm waiting for a friend to send me about 50 photos from the event. Just want to say it was the most fun I've had riding a dirt bike in a long, long time and wish you could have made it. I haven't ridden a dirt bike in almost five years and the track was perfect for everyone as it was flat for the most part and really nice flowing and you could ride and enjoy it at your own pace or do some friendly racing or just plain see how fast you could go. Met a lot of old and friends and made a bunch of new friends. There were over 60 people in attendance and everyone knew this was not a race but a fun get together and a chance to ride dirt bikes with no pressure. Some brought their kids, their old and current dirt bikes, my friend that is sending me the 50 photos rode over on his 1290 Super Adventure and do laps around the track and managed to make a few passes. My friend Mike W and his brother CJ are big Mopar guys and they were part of the first F.A.S.T. race event and instrumental in getting that series going with Dave Dudak and others. CJ showed up with his son and when I introduced Mike and CJ to Greg T that was hosting the event at his farm I told Mike and CJ that Greg was just finishing his '69 383, 4-speed Road Runner, and Greg not knowing Mike and CJ's Mopar background said to me he doesn't want to talk about it as he's having major running issues. CJ then asked what's it doing or not doing? When Greg told him CJ said fuel pump push rod and Greg said "you know I never thought the wear on the push rod would be an issue when I installed it, it looked pretty bad but thought it would be okay." CJ is headed over to Greg's house to get his RR running and if it is runs anywhere near my '68 RR 383 that CJ and Mike built it will make Greg very, very happy. CJ and Mike had the best time there yesterday they are way more than happy to work with Greg....and they live minutes away from Greg. Back to riding and here are a couple of photos that Mike sent to get started. They are of me and CJ and one or two others from Mike to me but that's all I have at the moment.

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This was in the barn along with a few vintage dirt bikes, a 1958 Apache 4X4 step side pickup originally fro AZ. That's real patina and the original driveline with a 5.16 rear gear shock

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Dayum... the top pic with the banner in the background and REAL dirt... the second one with the '86 CR (I raced an '86 250)... the fine looking TM with works-look white fenders... ALL good stuff, and I wish I could have worked it out to participate.

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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: BradH] #2707336
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Originally Posted by BradH
Dayum... the top pic with the banner in the background and REAL dirt... the second one with the '86 CR (I raced an '86 250)... the fine looking TM with works-look white fenders... ALL good stuff, and I wish I could have worked it out to participate.


Wish you and the members here too could have been there also. As I said above it was just a fun day of RIDING with friends and new acquaintances/new friends. My friend Mike above showed up on his 1290 (cc) KTM Adventure and took some laps and I'm sure he would have let you take a few laps too......I would have surely posted those of you on the dirt tank laid over in a berm or destroying it laugh2 He is one avid dual sport/adventure rider and has close to fifty gps routes all over Ohio that he takes all skill riders on rain or shine. Here's him on the track last Saturday and on one of his slightly wet routes shock He had water up to the seat at one point. I told him not to worry as the gas tank was pretty low on fuel and the bike will float for a while if he kills the engine as it closes the fuel tank venting and makes a temporary buoy and not hard to spot as it floats away wink

Mike saved my now 55 year streak of riding a motorcycle every year since '64 last year when he dragged me out for a nearly 500 mile road and some dual sporting about this time last year. The dirt road ride in and around Ohio Amish country was great even on a full on road bike like my '85 BMW K100RS. I thank him very much for that. up

I'm planning to ride the PE175 at least a couple more times this year it was too much fun to not do it again. There is, to me, no greater motorsport fun than riding DIRT BIKES. Not only great fun but great physical and mental exercise to keep you sharp and in shape...........much better than riding the couch on the weekends laugh2

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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: A12] #2707582
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Originally Posted by A12

I'm planning to ride the PE175 at least a couple more times this year it was too much fun to not do it again. There is, to me, no greater motorsport fun than riding DIRT BIKES. Not only great fun but great physical and mental exercise to keep you sharp and in shape...........much better than riding the couch on the weekends laugh2


I'd like to get my RM out a few more times this year to work out any remaining issues since the rebuild. Any decent places to ride in NE Ohio? Closest I know of is Bear Creek (about an hour from me - wasn't impressed) and Mines and Meadows (about 1.25 hours from me - haven't been there yet).


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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: Neil] #2707604
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Originally Posted by Neil
I used to have a Honda CR125 two stroke and then bought a CFR250 four stroke and the 4 stroke was much more flexible and easier to go fast on for longer. The two stroke was very fast, but required max. effort out of the rider.

Place I used to ride had huge hills and the 4 stroke could start at the bottom and make it all the way up. The two stroke would only make the hill if you had a run at it.

In the sound department the two stroke wins. I also liked the feeling of the powerband coming on. Four strokes are almost too smooth.


When I was a kid in the 1970s I loved reading the shootouts of enduros. The Honda XL won most of the time even though its accelerated slower than its 2 stroke competitors. Neighbor kids got brand new Suzuki TM 125s. I remember the kick starter pin would shear (common to the TMs?) So they both just push started their bikes. Amazing memories. Back then even if a guy didnt own and bike he still knew how to ride one. Now kids desire a $1000 phone some tatoos and skinny jeans.


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On my 9th birthday I got an accurate metal and plastic toy version of this bike. I would go to bed early to play with it in bed.

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Originally Posted by A12
... My friend Mike above showed up on his 1290 (cc) KTM Adventure and took some laps and I'm sure he would have let you take a few laps too......I would have surely posted those of you on the dirt tank laid over in a berm or destroying it laugh2

More likely would have been pics of three other people lifting it off of me after I plowed the front wheel the first time I tried to change directions on that 2-wheeled elephant. eek


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Re: Vintage Dirt Bike guys whatya ride got hiding or old photos? [Re: 2boltmain] #2707879
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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
On my 9th birthday I got an accurate metal and plastic toy version of this bike. I would go to bed early to play with it in bed.


There were a couple of those there at the ride 2boltmain, I'm sure they would have let you ride both of them, it was that kind of day. I let anyone that wanted to ride the PE have a go at it................they came back and asked how I could go that quick on 18 HP...I had forgotten that's all they claimed it to have......I think it has a lot more, like maybe 20 HP laugh2 laugh2 Mike said that was the norm for back then about 1 horsepower per 10cc's shock yeah I forgot that sad fact. You learn a lot about corner speed and how to try to maintain that not like today with 60 HP+ 450 4-strokes and 50 HP+ 250 2-strokes.........but they were no match for that screaming 18 HP 175 PE... wink wink grin

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Originally Posted by A12
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On my 9th birthday I got an accurate metal and plastic toy version of this bike. I would go to bed early to play with it in bed.


There were a couple of those there at the ride 2boltmain, I'm sure they would have let you ride both of them, it was that kind of day. I let anyone that wanted to ride the PE have a go at it................they came back and asked how I could go that quick on 18 HP...I had forgotten that's all they claimed it to have......I think it has a lot more, like maybe 20 HP laugh2 laugh2 Mike said that was the norm for back then about 1 horsepower per 10cc's shock yeah I forgot that sad fact. You learn a lot about corner speed and how to try to maintain that not like today with 60 HP+ 450 4-strokes and 50 HP+ 250 2-strokes.........but they were no match for that screaming 18 HP 175 PE... wink wink grin


Sounds like a great event. Id have loved to ride an old ring dinger. To this day when I smell 2 cycle exhaust the smell instantly takes me back the the 70s on the farm- dirt bikes snowmobiles and chainsaws.


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Since the thread is still alive, a couple more pics.

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Originally Posted by CYACOP
Since the thread is still alive, a couple more pics.


up up...........but the confusing thing for me is how that bike back there can push a Honda with a rope shruggy grin laugh2

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circa 1968..............

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Wow...


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Originally Posted by BradH
Wow...


I know the photo of the car and trailer (cool how the trailer is painted a matching R4 up) was taken in Colorado. When I first saw the photo I felt, and still do, that it may have been taken in a small town just below Engineer's Pass in the town of Lake City, Colorado. It's to this day a very popular stop over for fuel and food when heading up to or down from Engineer's Pass by all sorts of off-road vehicles from Silverton, Ouray, Gunnison, etc. Here's some photos of Lake City I found and why it looks like it to me. I've ridden dirt bikes there and have been through Lake City many times in the 15 straight years of participating in the Colorado 500 charity motorcycle rides put on by race car driver Wally Dallenbach sr, Became very good friends with Chip Ganassi on the very first ride in '83 when Chip was still a rookie Indy Car driver. Him and I alone had some crazy, scary and hilarious adventure rides there on KTM dirt bikes. We talked two months ago about those crazy rides and laughed, good times once again on dirt bikes. Chip actually got started motocross racing on a Husqvarna and went to Rolf's/Husqvarna's Motocross School, then the next week to Bob Bondurant's car driving school where he was told he should try Formula Ford open wheel racing. He did and finished second his rookie year and the rest is history.......back to vintage dirt bike days sorry.

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Found this of the 15+ KTM 504/600 Rotax 4-stroke bikes I prepped for some Indy car drivers and crew members for the first Colorado 500 Charity ride in 1983. I had to changed the 40 mm forks for 43 mm, install FOX shocks, a Supertrapp exhaust, a new cam belt gear to advance the cam timing, jet all of them for the mile to 14,000 ft elevation, and teach everyone how to start a big bore single, kickstart only 4-stroke at altitude...that was the toughest job ever.

The second photo is Chip heading back to his bike after deciding to go down the side of an avalanche that had covered the road and blocked the river (until the river water made a tunnel under the avalanche). Our or my biggest fear was that the water made tunnel would collapse and the steepness of the snow down to the road below. It was crazy scary on the way down. We didn't know it but the third photo was where Parnelli Jones and his buddy were watching us come down over the side of the avalanche shaking their heads at the two stupid dirt bike riders. That's PJ and his buddy where they met us at the bottom left of the avalanche where they met us and called us dumb #$@%'s laugh2 Chip took the last photo at 12k+ feet at California Pass also near Lake City, CO

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That last pic was at a mx track in Houston called Rio Grand in 1975.

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