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"Head rest" with low back buckets? #2707427
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Let me preface this by saying I've been teched at 5 different tracks with this car. Car has all the safety equipment to run to 10.00...or so I thought!

We had a different guy at our local track this weekend (big Superstock race) and said I needed a head rest or pad mounted to the rollbar?!

The car has Superstock/A100 style fixed mount seats. I really hate to do this as it is a street car and gets used as one OFTEN! I honestly hate having the rollbar in the car but had one put in 2 years ago. This would make it an even bigger PITA to get into the back seat.

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Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: GY3] #2707431
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Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me, now or when break your neck, to be blunt. twocents

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: jcc] #2707433
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Originally Posted by jcc
Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me, now or when break your neck, to be blunt. twocents


Not asking for sympathy now or ever or your opinion for that matter.

Asking if it is requirement from 11.49 down to 10.0?


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Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's
10.40 @ 130mph with a 200 shot of nitrous.

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: GY3] #2707436
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It looks like it is a requirement anytime a roll bar is required.

See this link
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=48693

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2707438
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
It looks like it is a requirement anytime a roll bar is required.

See this link
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=48693


Thanks for the link as I had never seen nor heard of this before!


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Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's
10.40 @ 130mph with a 200 shot of nitrous.

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: GY3] #2707442
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Yes, a headrest is required with the roll bar and low-back seats. I’ll also let you know that it would appear your door bars are not technically legal either. I did my door bars very similarly; they have been accepted by tech at my my track. At the D6 ET Finals this year however, I passed tech but then the NHRA tech director tracked me down in the pits to go over the rules with me. He mentioned my door bar and the lack of a headrest. The door bar must cross your arm above the elbow when your hand is on the wheel. He was real good about it, truly coming across more as helping me than anything. But I get the feeling if I show up at the Divisional next year with the same configuration, I may get bounced (???).

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Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: StealthWedge67] #2707447
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How about mounting a removable head pad from the bar. This way you could remove it when you want. Also, just as a safety concern for you, if your shoulders are higher than the top of that bucket seat, i feel there is a possibility of severely compressing your back, God forbid, in a situation. Not picking, you have a world class car there.


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Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #2707450
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
It looks like it is a requirement anytime a roll bar is required.

See this link
http://www.nhraracer.com/content/general.asp?articleid=48693
iagree
That requirement has been in place a long time, a VERY long time shruggy
As far as your neck and a crash your way better off having the head rest, especially if your rear ended, hit in the back of the car, at speeds. work
I've hurt my neck four times in a row on the first four launches after installing a 8 inch race converter in my old max wedge stocker that didn't require a head rest with the stock interior back then work
Same thing on my current S/P car launching off the trans brake with no throttle stop, I had to relearn to stiffen up my back and neck muscle before letting go of the tranny button shock
1.27 60 ft. moves your body forward fairly rapidly, I had learn to make myself push my body back into the seat all the way so my neck wouldn't flex backwards on the leave, my helmet needed to hit the headrest with my back against the seat up scope work
As far as the door bar it needs to cross your upper arm between the elbow and the shoulder with your left hand on the steering wheel, when I 'm ask to sit in the seat and put my left hand on the steering wheel I make sure my elbow is slower than my hand is and my hand is below 9:0O clock on the steering wheel work up
I have a window net also that is required rant whistlinggrin

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Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2707453
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You can make a clamp-on headrest that's removable as mentioned.
Say, 4" or 6" square, padded, supported by a length of tubing with a clamp.
Weld the forward side to the headrest support, and use a 2nd piece at the backside of the crossbar.
Bolt the two together for track use.

My car had one in it before I got it, and it's been handy ever since I got the thing into the 10s.

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: topside] #2707489
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I have a flat bar bolts vertically between taxi bar and top of hoop . Has a padded plate with threaded rod mount horizontally from this . Passes local IHRA and ANDRA tech . I remove it on the street , factory bench seat .

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Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: tex013] #2707490
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Its easy. Attach tube to the top hoop. Then attach a pad to it. Look close at the pass seat you'll see that the seats are braced as well.
Doug

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I'm well aware of the door bars nof being "technically" legal but the local chassis shop that built it said they do a lot of street cars that way and tech never says anything. That has never been brought up by any inspector either.

Looks like I need to fab up something.


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Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's
10.40 @ 130mph with a 200 shot of nitrous.

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: GY3] #2707500
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I need to do the same thing. Although I made it through NHRA tech at an NHRA track by an NHRA official I know it needs one. He never said a word about my head rest only about my my wrap around belts were done with no way to locate them on the bar. Two things I need to do to be legal for my ET.


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Originally Posted by Chargerfan68
How about mounting a removable head pad from the bar. This way you could remove it when you want. Also, just as a safety concern for you, if your shoulders are higher than the top of that bucket seat, i feel there is a possibility of severely compressing your back, God forbid, in a situation. Not picking, you have a world class car there.

This is what I was thinking , but will it be legal ? would it have to be welded permanently affixed to the cage.

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Originally Posted by GY3
Originally Posted by jcc
Sorry, you'll get no sympathy from me, now or when break your neck, to be blunt. twocents


Not asking for sympathy now or ever or your opinion for that matter.

Asking if it is requirement from 11.49 down to 10.0?


There is also no requirement that I need your permission to express my withholding of sympathy or expressing my opinion.

Regardless, of any requirements, having no head rest today is considered by most rather short sighted and frankly dangerous, and any injuries incurred at the track with the lack of, effects everyone else to some degree negatively, and I see little reason to shy away from stating that, bluntly..

Re: "Head rest" with low back buckets? [Re: jcc] #2707594
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A couple more items I noticed. I was an NHRA tech man off and on for 25 years and still have a SS license so I try to keep up with the rules. That said, rules have not changed much since the 70's when I started teching cars. As pointed out the headrest is required (10.6) and must be within 4" of the helmet. The side bar is low. Rule (4.10) states midway between the eldow and shoulder. Says nothing about with hands on the wheel that I see. The other things that might get pointed out at an NHRA event is that the seat back must be braced (4.10 and 6.2) to the cross bar. It is legal to lean the roll bar back as was done on your car but when seated in the car the top of the hoop must be within 6" of the back of your helmet (4.10). You might be too far forward but can't tell from the pictures. Also can't tell without you in the car but the belts have to mount even or up to 4" below top of shoulder (10.5). You could flip the belt mount so it goes under the bar if it is too high. Numbers in ( ) are sections in the NHRA rule book. Think anyone car see the rules at NHRA.com or get a rulebook from Jegs or Summit for $10 next time you order something. Not trying to be a harda__ but old habits die hard and all these rules may help in a crash. The car looks great and if I haven't made you too mad how about an outside shot of it.

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Originally Posted by racerx
Originally Posted by Chargerfan68
How about mounting a removable head pad from the bar. This way you could remove it when you want. Also, just as a safety concern for you, if your shoulders are higher than the top of that bucket seat, i feel there is a possibility of severely compressing your back, God forbid, in a situation. Not picking, you have a world class car there.

This is what I was thinking , but will it be legal ? would it have to be welded permanently affixed to the cage.


This headrest can be unpinned...so i would say "no" to your question

https://timmcamis.com/shop/headrest-kit.html

I'll need one since A-100 lowback seats have replaced the Kirkeys in the street Dart for the retro look


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