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Roll cage mounted switches #2706502
10/13/19 09:08 PM
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What brands are you guys using? I have a quik-car dash mount panel but im now thinking I want them cage mounted instead. As much as I would love to have the speedwire stuff $1500 is out of my price range. So what else do you guys use?


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2706513
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Auto Rod Controls.

Not the flat face touch controls style. I've seen people have issues with them.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2706635
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I use the old style ARC. Never had any issue. Easy to access the fuses.
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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: bigdad] #2706661
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We have had great luck with the ARC8000. Hard to find an easier panel to wire up. Very clean installation. The one I have has been in (2) different cars since I bought it 6 years ago. Absolutely zero issues with it!

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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: cl440] #2706677
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My stuff is Speedwire and love it, the board and switch panel are top quality. I have used ARC in the past and they are nice as well. Also used the Digital dealy and K&R stuff, all worked fine for me.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2706690
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Auto Rod Controls.

Not the flat face touch controls style. I've seen people have issues with them.


the issue is the ribbon wire coming out, after tire shake....just make sure it cant come out ( tape, tie wrap etc.) IF you have a promod...lol

actually in the pic above, that small bar with the two screws, that's the updated version that bar keeps the ribbon wire from coming out



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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: n20mstr] #2706716
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I would rather spend money on go fast parts so I try to keep stuff like this budget minded. I have had Auto rod roll cage boxes in several of my cars with zero issues. I just picked up a couple of these boxes from Summit as I want to clean up some of my wiring over the winter. I also bought a Bee3-EZ wire labeling machine to mark everything nicer

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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: pittsburghracer] #2706927
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I second the ACR8000 for sure. Very nicely made, but really easy to work with as well. Fits in a pretty small location, well fused & relays are all easy to replace if needed. Plus this way you don't have 10 relays through out the car. If it ever comes to it, will buy another in a minute. Just run a solid wire from the panel to the accessory. No splices, much less chance of a short & so on.

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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
I would rather spend money on go fast parts so I try to keep stuff like this budget minded.


I think I have maybe $200 into my entire wiring setup in my Road Runner. $1500??? Personally I'm not a fan of the overhead switch panels, if you have a decent place to install switches in the dash. Less wire, and cleaner looking IMO.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: JERICOGTX] #2706973
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I have exactly ONE serial cable going to my cage mounted 10 switch panel. I have one board that is 7"x4.5" contains all the replaceable fuses and relays for my entire system that is set in vibration resistant epoxy. Yep it is not cheap but very clean, very simple and very reliable. Oh yeah it also comes with a built in LED "dome" light smile


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: Al_Alguire] #2707126
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
I have exactly ONE serial cable going to my cage mounted 10 switch panel. I have one board that is 7"x4.5" contains all the replaceable fuses and relays for my entire system that is set in vibration resistant epoxy. Yep it is not cheap but very clean, very simple and very reliable. Oh yeah it also comes with a built in LED "dome" light smile


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Nice looking stuff. My problem(s) with a system like that is - what happens if something fails? Nothing is immune to having a problem. I use good components sourced from a few places to build my systems, all of which are easy to replace at the track if they fail and it doesn't cost a ton to carry spares of everything. I also make the system so that it's able to changed or have stuff easily added as needed. Seems like things are always being changed on a race car.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2707209
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Had cage mounted switches in the Mirada. While I liked them when in the car, it was a pita to try and reach in and turn on the fans/water pump when in the pits....
both of my switch panels have been Painless. Starter switch broke on the Duster last year which allowed it to remain cranking..... in the lanes of course. A few “gentle nudges” corrected it (ok I beat on it....). It didn’t occur again, but the switch and relay got replaced. Man I need to rewire that car....

Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2707257
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
I have exactly ONE serial cable going to my cage mounted 10 switch panel. I have one board that is 7"x4.5" contains all the replaceable fuses and relays for my entire system that is set in vibration resistant epoxy. Yep it is not cheap but very clean, very simple and very reliable. Oh yeah it also comes with a built in LED "dome" light smile


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Nice looking stuff. My problem(s) with a system like that is - what happens if something fails? Nothing is immune to having a problem. I use good components sourced from a few places to build my systems, all of which are easy to replace at the track if they fail and it doesn't cost a ton to carry spares of everything. I also make the system so that it's able to changed or have stuff easily added as needed. Seems like things are always being changed on a race car.


If you have a component fail you replace the offending piece, just as you would if a component failed. The fuses, relay and switches are just as easily replaced as anything you would use or replace if there was a failure. If you want to add circuits hopefully you are smart enough to take that into consideration when purchasing it and having a couple spare circuits. It is no different in functionality from any other relay panel and switch box out there, or from anything that anyone makes themselves, I've done that as well. The exception being systems like Racepaks smartwire and similar which is sealed. To each his own but there is nothing in a speedwire kit that is not easily fixed at the track with commonly available pieces from a good parts store, except maybe the serial cable which Best Buy would have.

If you run a delay box and it fails what do you do? If your electric water pump fails what do you do? Parts fail on all cars if you are serious racer who travels you will carry spares for common components that seem failure prone and not repairable at the track. Your argument against speedwire stuff only holds water for those who run things like Racepak Smartwire and similar systems. They are closed/sealed systems and non repairable, so if you choose to run those systems you have to carry a spare, albeit $2000 spare. If you pop a relay in a smartwire system you have to wait and hope it resets, otherwise you are dead in the water as you cannot bypass it easily or replace/reset that circuit. I have seen three of those boxes fail this year at the track. One team carried a spare the other two had to next day air one in.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: Al_Alguire] #2707387
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
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If you have a component fail you replace the offending piece, just as you would if a component failed. The fuses, relay and switches are just as easily replaced as anything you would use or replace if there was a failure. If you want to add circuits hopefully you are smart enough to take that into consideration when purchasing it and having a couple spare circuits. It is no different in functionality from any other relay panel and switch box out there, or from anything that anyone makes themselves, I've done that as well. The exception being systems like Racepaks smartwire and similar which is sealed. To each his own but there is nothing in a speedwire kit that is not easily fixed at the track with commonly available pieces from a good parts store, except maybe the serial cable which Best Buy would have.

If you run a delay box and it fails what do you do? If your electric water pump fails what do you do? Parts fail on all cars if you are serious racer who travels you will carry spares for common components that seem failure prone and not repairable at the track. Your argument against speedwire stuff only holds water for those who run things like Racepak Smartwire and similar systems. They are closed/sealed systems and non repairable, so if you choose to run those systems you have to carry a spare, albeit $2000 spare. If you pop a relay in a smartwire system you have to wait and hope it resets, otherwise you are dead in the water as you cannot bypass it easily or replace/reset that circuit. I have seen three of those boxes fail this year at the track. One team carried a spare the other two had to next day air one in.


I meant a component of the Speedwire System (relay, switch, etc). Perhaps I mistook the construction of their stuff as being a sealed unit with none of the parts easily replaced. I am a fan of everything in the car being plug and play, making it easily able to replace anything quickly. Relays, pumps, fans, ignition boxes, etc.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2707406
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I have the Painless dragster mounted switches. Thin ,fused lighted switches. Works for me.


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Re: Roll cage mounted switches [Re: CMcAllister] #2707410
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
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I meant a component of the Speedwire System (relay, switch, etc). Perhaps I mistook the construction of their stuff as being a sealed unit with none of the parts easily replaced. I am a fan of everything in the car being plug and play, making it easily able to replace anything quickly. Relays, pumps, fans, ignition boxes, etc.


My relays, fuses and switches are all replaceable just like any other relay/switch panel. I like how small and clean it is as well as LED's to tell me if there is an issue, red no power, green all is well yellow a problem with fuse or relay. There are systems that are 100% sealed out there and no thanks. I had a Smartwire from Racepak and once I saw there as nothing you can do if something happens in the lanes or during warm up except wait for a breaker to reset or replace the box I was out.


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