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Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? #2704515 10/07/19 10:04 AM 10/07/19 10:04 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	I see a few offset options listed for use with -1 heads. Research dictates some use .180, some use .210 and others use no offset. Any -1 owners care to share? @dvw @HardcoreB Ps infolinks blows @moparts Tom you are going to force me to facebook... Last edited by Jeremiah; 10/07/19 10:05 AM.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704523 10/07/19 10:20 AM 10/07/19 10:20 AM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,144 PA.	I have both Harland Sharp and T&D rockers but it’s been so long since I’ve run those heads I honestly forget what they are. But I’m sure it’s listed on their website I may be putting together a 512 mega block build with my 440-1 heads and a 1150 alcohol carb over the winter 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2704542 10/07/19 11:06 AM 10/07/19 11:06 AM
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Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704549 10/07/19 11:28 AM 10/07/19 11:28 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	I have BAM .210-offset intake lifters in my RB block w/ Victor heads. With a .600"-offset intake rocker, no problems. When I mocked up some T&Ds .725"-offset MW Victor intakes, some of the intake pushrods rubbed against the casting bosses the block has for the most inboard head bolts. Considering most Indy 440-1 intake rockers I've seen have a .800" offset, that would only make the clearance issue worse. I suppose the alternatives are either grind additional clearance on those bosses (which I've seen done) or see if no-offset intake lifters move the pushrods far enough away from the block bosses to not have a problem. But then you have more severe pushrod angularity, which would be even more on a low-deck vs RB block. Everything's a trade-off.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: BradH] #2704558 10/07/19 11:45 AM 10/07/19 11:45 AM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	PBR - I have a set of 1.7 Jesel paired rockers so that is already set in stone. FastMop-Thanks for the info IIRC that is a tall deck? What RPM do you spin it to? B-rad: I appreciate the info on the .210 BAM lifters. I think that is what Mike Jones sells and I am looking hard at the steel on steel bushing option. Being a low deck I have better get the heads back and mock everything up. FWIW I used Isky .180 offset on the intakes of my Victor motor and it helped the p/rod angles significantly. Another stupid question - With p/rod oiling (Jesel paired blocks feed from block) can I run a solid body lifter or do I need the oil band? If so how do I know which lifter won't uncover the band at full lift? My first guess is that I will have to get specs on the prospective lifters and compare them to the cam lift.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704562 10/07/19 12:18 PM 10/07/19 12:18 PM
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Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704572 10/07/19 01:09 PM 10/07/19 01:09 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,989 Oregon	Originally Posted by Jeremiah PBR - I have a set of 1.7 Jesel paired rockers so that is already set in stone. FastMop-Thanks for the info IIRC that is a tall deck? What RPM do you spin it to? B-rad: I appreciate the info on the .210 BAM lifters. I think that is what Mike Jones sells and I am looking hard at the steel on steel bushing option. Being a low deck I have better get the heads back and mock everything up. FWIW I used Isky .180 offset on the intakes of my Victor motor and it helped the p/rod angles significantly. Another stupid question - With p/rod oiling (Jesel paired blocks feed from block) can I run a solid body lifter or do I need the oil band? If so how do I know which lifter won't uncover the band at full lift? My first guess is that I will have to get specs on the prospective lifters and compare them to the cam lift. Might be smart to buy one pair of lifters and mock things up before you buy the complete set.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704575 10/07/19 01:15 PM 10/07/19 01:15 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,095 Bend,OR USA	Any offset intake lifter is way better than none on low decks with any offset intake rocker heads On my current bracket motor with Jesel paired shaft rockers I started it off with pushrod oiling with Comp Cams lifters with no oil band, I added spray bar oiling also but I'm going to remove that now as the pushrod oiling is doing way better than I thought it would Last edited by Cab_Burge; 10/07/19 01:16 PM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704576 10/07/19 01:15 PM 10/07/19 01:15 PM
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pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,144 PA.	Originally Posted by Jeremiah PBR - I have a set of 1.7 Jesel paired rockers so that is already set in stone. FastMop-Thanks for the info IIRC that is a tall deck? What RPM do you spin it to? B-rad: I appreciate the info on the .210 BAM lifters. I think that is what Mike Jones sells and I am looking hard at the steel on steel bushing option. Being a low deck I have better get the heads back and mock everything up. FWIW I used Isky .180 offset on the intakes of my Victor motor and it helped the p/rod angles significantly. Another stupid question - With p/rod oiling (Jesel paired blocks feed from block) can I run a solid body lifter or do I need the oil band? If so how do I know which lifter won't uncover the band at full lift? My first guess is that I will have to get specs on the prospective lifters and compare them to the cam lift. Sorry I misread your post. For some reason this is the only site that when I go to on my phone I need my bifocals. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704582 10/07/19 01:30 PM 10/07/19 01:30 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,144 PA. pittsburghracer "Little"John
pittsburghracer "Little"John Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 20,144 PA.	Originally Posted by Jeremiah I see a few offset options listed for use with -1 heads. Research dictates some use .180, some use .210 and others use no offset. Any -1 owners care to share? @dvw @HardcoreB Ps infolinks blows @moparts Tom you are going to force me to facebook... Ok this is what I ran into with 440-1 heads. Standard (zero) offset roller lifters worked with my stock blocks (3/3 pushrods) but when back in 2008-2009 I had to buy a set of offset lifters for clearance on my Keith Black block. The shortblock was built and I didn’t want to tear it apart to grind clearance. When I tore it apart the next time I did some valley grinding so this would no longer be an issue. Some of these bigger pushrods cause some clearance issues. 1970 Duster Edelbrock headed 408 5.984@112.52 422 Indy headed small block 5.982@112.56 mph 9.42@138.27 Livin and lovin life one day at a time

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2704588 10/07/19 01:40 PM 10/07/19 01:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Some pics, in case it helps. One (the one w/ the notes added) was something I found that Jim Hanrahan (440Jim) posted years ago. Looks like Jim's picture was taken w/ zero-offset lifters, but annotated to show where grinding would be needed to use offset intakes.. The others are from the mock-up I mentioned above. If you look closely at the #3 intake, you can see the masking tape I put on the pushrod is being torn off due to lack of clearance w/ the block boss. The intake pushrods were all really close, even if they didn't rub. Last edited by BradH; 10/07/19 01:45 PM.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: FastmOp] #2704611 10/07/19 03:19 PM 10/07/19 03:19 PM
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Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: WedgeFED] #2704627 10/07/19 04:36 PM 10/07/19 04:36 PM
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,205 New York polyspheric master
polyspheric master Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,205 New York	Remember to limit your comments, search terms, sites visited to what the craziest Democratic candidate would agree with, because Google's file on you (your e-mail, IP address, log-ins), shall we say, is not private and personal? I like correcting pushrod angularity, but this must be weighed against "does it require a smaller pushrod OD than the other lifter choice"? The usual rule: if you're not sure your pushrod is the largest one that fits... it's too small. Boffin Emeritus

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2704647 10/07/19 05:31 PM 10/07/19 05:31 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Originally Posted by Cab_Burge Any offset intake lifter is way better than none on low decks with any offset intake rocker heads On my current bracket motor with Jesel paired shaft rockers I started it off with pushrod oiling with Comp Cams lifters with no oil band, I added spray bar oiling also but I'm going to remove that now as the pushrod oiling is doing way better than I thought it would Interesting. I'll give you call once I know enough to have an intelligent conversation lol. : D

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: polyspheric] #2704648 10/07/19 05:36 PM 10/07/19 05:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Originally Posted by polyspheric Remember to limit your comments, search terms, sites visited to what the craziest Democratic candidate would agree with, because Google's file on you (your e-mail, IP address, log-ins), shall we say, is not private and personal? I like correcting pushrod angularity, but this must be weighed against "does it require a smaller pushrod OD than the other lifter choice"? The usual rule: if you're not sure your pushrod is the largest one that fits... it's too small. Good thoughts on the tapered push rods. I will most certainly watch out for that. On the Google ads subject - Hilarious stuff shows up due to sharing an internet with my wife. When she is shoe shopping I know whats up and when I am looking for car parts (roller lifters) she starts getting ads for Isky and Comp. Funny stuff but yeah I hear you on that front JD.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: BradH] #2704649 10/07/19 05:37 PM 10/07/19 05:37 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Originally Posted by BradH Some pics, in case it helps. One (the one w/ the notes added) was something I found that Jim Hanrahan (440Jim) posted years ago. Looks like Jim's picture was taken w/ zero-offset lifters, but annotated to show where grinding would be needed to use offset intakes.. The others are from the mock-up I mentioned above. If you look closely at the #3 intake, you can see the masking tape I put on the pushrod is being torn off due to lack of clearance w/ the block boss. The intake pushrods were all really close, even if they didn't rub. Excellent information, thank you sir! I have a pic of my 511 with the .180's somewhere. Will see if it is in the readily available archives.

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: AndyF] #2704650 10/07/19 05:42 PM 10/07/19 05:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR Jeremiah OP master
Jeremiah OP master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,096 Rogue River, OR	Originally Posted by AndyF Originally Posted by Jeremiah PBR - I have a set of 1.7 Jesel paired rockers so that is already set in stone. FastMop-Thanks for the info IIRC that is a tall deck? What RPM do you spin it to? B-rad: I appreciate the info on the .210 BAM lifters. I think that is what Mike Jones sells and I am looking hard at the steel on steel bushing option. Being a low deck I have better get the heads back and mock everything up. FWIW I used Isky .180 offset on the intakes of my Victor motor and it helped the p/rod angles significantly. Another stupid question - With p/rod oiling (Jesel paired blocks feed from block) can I run a solid body lifter or do I need the oil band? If so how do I know which lifter won't uncover the band at full lift? My first guess is that I will have to get specs on the prospective lifters and compare them to the cam lift. Might be smart to buy one pair of lifters and mock things up before you buy the complete set. 100% spot on. I'd rather spend $100 and know everything is right instead of making compromises due to a hasty decision in the past. This motor needs to make good power as it is going in the grudge/no prep car. After having so much darn fun at the last two events I am wanting to get going for 2020. Might even have some sponsorship $$$ to help with parts we have yet to buy and some fresh tires. AR Engineering sure would look cool on that black car lol. Andy, do you have any single sets of offset roller lifters in your mock up stash?

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: FastmOp] #2704659 10/07/19 06:28 PM 10/07/19 06:28 PM
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jughed pro stock J Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,229 In The Hills	0 offset Comp Cams 829-16s work just fine with 440-1s and 1.6 T&Ds. Pushrods are 3/8" Smith Bros.. Mega Block. Been running this 540" combo for 10+ years...zero issues Originally Posted by FastmOp I run straight rollers, Comps. This site is going down hill fast with the stupid adds What ads?? AdBlock Plus https://adblockplus.org/ End those annoying Infolink ads with AdBlockPlus https://adblockplus.org/

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: Jeremiah] #2704666 10/07/19 06:45 PM 10/07/19 06:45 PM
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dvw master Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 9,813 MI, usa	Mine has Isky red zone bushed offset lifters, Trend 7/16"x .165" tapered pushrods, T&D 1.7 paired rockers. Pac 1224 springs and matching retainers. It hurt the bushing in one lifter early. Isky repaired it at N/C. Close to 350 passes now with no issues. T&D's were purchased used with ? passes before I bought them. 3 shafts were brinelled on the exhaust side after aprox 400 passes. Added 3 new shafts and all bearings as maintenance. No issues close to 600 passes. Swapped springs at 200 passes. The old set pressure was the same as when they were installed. Pushrods were purchased used, no issue ever. lash seldom moves, maybe 2 rockers.001" at checks. All told the system works great. Cam is Comp with RX1718 intake lobe, XCX 1862 exh lobe. Doug

Re: Do you use offset lifters with you 440 -1 heads? [Re: jughed] #2704697 10/07/19 08:39 PM 10/07/19 08:39 PM
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Wax member W Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 177 Casper, WY	Originally Posted by jughed 0 offset Comp Cams 829-16s work just fine with 440-1s and 1.6 T&Ds. Pushrods are 3/8" Smith Bros.. Mega Block. Been running this 540" combo for 10+ years...zero issues Originally Posted by FastmOp I run straight rollers, Comps. This site is going down hill fast with the stupid adds What ads?? AdBlock Plus https://adblockplus.org/

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