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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: moparx] #2696868
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Thanks for the correction.
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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: jcc] #2696871
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i did as well at first, so don't feel bad.
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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: moparx] #2699585
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If this proceeds and is successful, it could seriously damage the car modification business at all levels. And what if you personally modify a car then sell it later on, are you libel?

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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: DirectSubjection] #2699587
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Hmmmmm .... can an insurance claim be denied IF the insurance company is not aware of the fact the car is not jsta “regular” 70!Barracuda ?


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: DirectSubjection] #2699608
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Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
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Puttin' on the foil in Charles...
The person writing that article probably can't check his own oil. There's zero issue there. You're not required to retrofit airbags into an old car when you modify it, and the "harnesses" he keeps referring to are likely not DOT approved in the first place.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: not_a_charger] #2699612
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Any chance that cuda could of had a new vin and if so would that change the requirements? Geee lets buy a car for its power and lawyer up when they crash it. What an odd world.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: Mr. Potatohead] #2699629
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Originally Posted by JRB
Any chance that cuda could of had a new vin and if so would that change the requirements? Geee lets buy a car for its power and lawyer up when they crash it. What an odd world.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: Doc Fiberglass] #2699633
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Do these clowns realize what happens when you roll a car with a 5 point harness and no roll cage? You have successfully strapped yourself straight up in the seat so the roof can crush you.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: slantzilla] #2699636
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Good point slanTEE .... and in a high dollar car like that why wasn’t there at least a simple roll bar HOOP ?


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: Doc Fiberglass] #2699646
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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: bee1971] #2699674
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Sounds like car guys will end getting slammed with more laws in California.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: 1972CudaV21] #2699684
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Disassembled by CHP, Looks 1/2 done already for them.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: Mr. Potatohead] #2699686
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Originally Posted by JRB
Disassembled by CHP, Looks 1/2 done already for them.


47 posts ... hubba HUBBA !

What is the story THEY SAY now ? Kevin’s bud probably jsta matted it on a section of road that was sandy and LOST CONTROL....ez to do with almost 800 hp.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: slantzilla] #2699882
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Originally Posted by slantzilla
Do these clowns realize what happens when you roll a car with a 5 point harness and no roll cage? You have successfully strapped yourself straight up in the seat so the roof can crush you.


I think it is understood by mpst her there is almost no way to properly install a 5 point harness system without additional structure (rollbar/cage), and given the ease with out a real back seat and at that horsepower level in that chassis, can't see why it wasn't installed, unless it was a deadline show circuit only car, that got sold to a gullible novice to raise money for another project. by the builder.

An experienced driver with that car would have been very ginger with the right peddle and how many ride alongs he allowed with those safety shortcomings.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: jcc] #2699926
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5 point harnesses may be a track thing, but are they DOT approved for street safety? Are they ever mandatory? Ford GTs, Mclarens, etc don't come with them.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: DirectSubjection] #2699982
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Originally Posted by DirectSubjection
5 point harnesses may be a track thing, but are they DOT approved for street safety?
I would say never

Are they ever mandatory?

I would say never

Ford GTs, Mclarens, etc don't come with them.

But I suspect the real supercars have proper mounting points already in place



I also suspect the lawyers are the driving force to leave 5 points off for liability, even though safer in many cases, but they might suggest tacit endorsement of driving at illegal speeds.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: jcc] #2700000
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The whole thing could get messy if the lawyers start going at each other. The car has a bunch of hand built parts on it so those are all suspect. A lawyer won't have any trouble making the shop look guilty. SEMA cars aren't built to be crashed, they are built for show. It isn't a race car so it doesn't have the required safety equipment but it does have a ton of power. One article I read said the car had a Demon engine rather than a Hellcat so that would be 800 hp. About the only way the shop who built the car can escape some liability is if they had the buyer sign a ton of legal forms and if they put the buy thru some sort of training process to handle the power and the custom built suspension. My guess is that none of that happened so if Hart wants to stir up the muck all he has to do is get a nasty lawyer who drags the builder thru the mud. A good lawyer would make the shop look like clowns with just a few questions. Did you have an engineer design this suspension. No, we just weld up some stuff. Why didn't you put anti-lock brakes on the car. We don't know how to do that kind of stuff. Why didn't you install airbags. We don't know how to do that kind of stuff. Why didn't you install a roll bar? We wanted the car to be pretty for SEMA. Why didn't you install racing seat belts? We thought they looked tacky in a show car. Etc.

The wreck that killed Paul Walker got litigated pretty heavily. That was a factory car and was driven by a guy with racing experience.

Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: AndyF] #2700141
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Originally Posted by AndyF
The whole thing could get messy if the lawyers start going at each other. The car has a bunch of hand built parts on it so those are all suspect. A lawyer won't have any trouble making the shop look guilty. SEMA cars aren't built to be crashed, they are built for show. It isn't a race car so it doesn't have the required safety equipment but it does have a ton of power. One article I read said the car had a Demon engine rather than a Hellcat so that would be 800 hp. About the only way the shop who built the car can escape some liability is if they had the buyer sign a ton of legal forms and if they put the buy thru some sort of training process to handle the power and the custom built suspension. My guess is that none of that happened so if Hart wants to stir up the muck all he has to do is get a nasty lawyer who drags the builder thru the mud. A good lawyer would make the shop look like clowns with just a few questions. Did you have an engineer design this suspension. No, we just weld up some stuff. Why didn't you put anti-lock brakes on the car. We don't know how to do that kind of stuff. Why didn't you install airbags. We don't know how to do that kind of stuff. Why didn't you install a roll bar? We wanted the car to be pretty for SEMA. Why didn't you install racing seat belts? We thought they looked tacky in a show car. Etc..


iagree

Also consider the transferred liability when these type of cars are resold on down the line, and how that would effect their resale value with attached indefensible liability..

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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: jcc] #2700267
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Weren't there also 3 people in the car that only had 2 seats? I'm hoping the car builders get better lawyers than Hart. What kind of tool expects a 49 year old car to have air bags?

The Walker lawsuit was slightly different. Porsche had already been sued and paid out over a similar crash. The issue was the car caught fire and the occupants couldn't get out of the car. Porsche didn't pay a whole lot, but they set precedent.


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Re: Kevin Hart Hellcat Cuda.... totaled [Re: slantzilla] #2700385
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I don't know how true it is but I've heard that one optional feature on early Vipers was a driving class on how to keep a grip on the thing. As in: sponsored by and sold thru Dodge dealers. Haven't heard of anything similar with HellCats or retro GT40s.

I think we've all heard a lot of stories and seen a lot of youtube videos of HellCats being wrecked before the new owner scraped the sticker off the window and Vets doing random loops in to things when somebody gets on one hard at a traffic light. Ya know, kinda the way Harts resto mod likely ended up pointed towards the canyon. I haven't heard of anybody suing FCA or GM about it. As far as I know, they haven't even been compelled to put some kinda warning label on the dash - yet. Probably just a matter of time as apparently some vehicle mounted infotainment systems boot up to a screen reminding you to keep your damn eyes on the road and McDonald coffee cups warn you that the coffee might be hot because of a law suit 20 yrs ago.

The media hype about this wreck is about who owned the car, not the car that was wrecked. It would be the same circus if it was a 2019 whatever because apparently things involving celebrities are things that make headlines.


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