|
1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
#2699012
09/19/19 04:21 PM
09/19/19 04:21 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
After having been without a Mopar for about 2 1/2 years, I now am the proud owner of a 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed. I sold the '68 Valiant (formerly Tim Werner's car) back in November 2016 and had my sights set on finding a '68 or '69 Barracuda 340 4 speed car. The Barracuda market is insane and finding a decent 340 4 speed car proved to be difficult, so I opened up my options to '66 or '67 Plymouth B bodies, which I have long admired. I found this car on a Facebook Belvedere/GTX group. The guy had purchased it recently and posted a pic. I asked if it was for sale. He said yes and gave me a price. We talked and exchange texts and I decided to try to find someone local to the car (it was in PA) to check it out for me. I got a couple of people who offered to look at it for me and a guy on another Mopar forum offered to look at it for me since he has family in the area the car was located. Long story short, he ended being a flake and while trying to juggle his schedule and the seller's, the seller changed his mind. The seller told me he wanted to keep it to enjoy through the summer, but would keep my contact info and he would give me first dibs if/when he decided to sell it. This was at the end of April. A month later, he texts me telling me it's going on the market if I'm still interested. I told him yes and arranged to have a professional appraiser/car inspector look at it. Once I got his report, I pulled the trigger. It took over two months to get a transport company that I trusted to haul it for me. Let's just say that Intercity Lines is great if you're Jay Leno or Wayne Carini. If you're a small-time guy, well, don't hold your breath. I found a father/son team that did a great job for me.
Anyway, on to the car! It's a 383, 4 speed, 3.23 sure-grip, manual steering, manual drum brakes. The car was marketed to me as a survivor and in many ways, I think it is, although I am no expert. It is very well documented and seems very original, but has had some things done to it, such as newer gas tank, electronic ignition and I think the front carpet may have been replaced. I also think some of the car has been repainted, possibly the front clip. I have the original window sticker, Certicard, Owner's Manual, the original handwritten car order and Certificate of Title. It was purchased at Men-Guer Chrysler-Plymouth in Struthers, OH in May 1967. Other documents include timeslips from York Dragway and Sunset Drag Strip. There is also a Class Winner badge from 1968 that came with it. Not sure which dragstrip. though.
It was apparently in storage owned by the same family for a long time. It was sold in early 2017, then auctioned at Spring Carlisle 2017.
I'm looking for the build sheet. It's not under the back seat. I did find a strange section of multi-colored wire and the rear seat belts were taped up and hidden under the back seat.
Here are some pics.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2699017
09/19/19 04:35 PM
09/19/19 04:35 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
I will post more pics once I get a chance to take more. Hoping to get it registered tomorrow so I can drive it and then I can get better pics than in my driveway and garage.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: topside]
#2699061
09/19/19 06:57 PM
09/19/19 06:57 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
I like that a lot.
I'm not sure, but that might be the steering wheel design that was recalled?
Tell me more. Not familiar with that.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: UCUDANT]
#2699127
09/19/19 11:59 PM
09/19/19 11:59 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Congrats, that's a sweet car Thanks!
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: topside]
#2699128
09/20/19 12:03 AM
09/20/19 12:03 AM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
66-67 is not my strong point, and I could be wrong, but I read somewhere on Moparts that there was a recall on a steering wheel that I think resembled yours.
The guy who'd know would be Scott Smith @ Harms Auto, member here but currently pretty frustrated with the ad thing.
My point was to check it out, you may have a really rare steering wheel. I did some searching and found threads with pics. Looks like the recall wheel. I'll ask Scott. He's the guy I bought the aforementioned Valiant from.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: Suregrip391]
#2699185
09/20/19 10:48 AM
09/20/19 10:48 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,702
North Dakota
6PakBee
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,702
North Dakota
|
My favorite year and car. I have to admit that I have never seen a '67 Belvedere II with both the sill chrome and the chrome strip at the top of the body line. I've seen one or the other but not both. It would be nice to have a better scan of the window sticker. My '67 data book says that the two moldings are only available in packages. Be neat to see what this one has.
"We live in a time when intelligent people are being silenced so that stupid people won't be offended".
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
#2699711
09/22/19 12:54 AM
09/22/19 12:54 AM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Yes, that is the recall wheel. Extremely rare to find one these days. 1967 only and recalled...
You already know that I really like the car. Next time we're up in the area I'll give you a call. Scott Smith gave me the full info on the steering wheel. It's actually not the recall wheel (which apparently wasn't actually recalled), but the redesigned wheel, which was only available later in the model year. My car was ordered on 4-4-67 and delivered in mid May, so it is a late build car. You'll really like seeing it in person. It's kind of time capsule. Although the more I check it out, the more paint work I see.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2700529
09/24/19 05:14 PM
09/24/19 05:14 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,133
Mesa, Arizona
dart4forte
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 16,133
Mesa, Arizona
|
Looks like a repaint. Also wrong Aircleaner. Appears to have a late model charging system (squareback alternator)
Last edited by dart4forte; 09/24/19 05:18 PM.
“So if it’s on the internet it must be true”
Abe Lincoln
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: dart4forte]
#2700586
09/24/19 08:28 PM
09/24/19 08:28 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Looks like a repaint. Also wrong Aircleaner. Appears to have a late model charging system (squareback alternator) Yes, as I have spent more time with the car, I am coming to that same conclusion that it is a repaint. Air cleaner looks pretty new, so definitely a recent addition to the car. An old alternator came in a box in the trunk, possibly the original one. But I really don't care if it's not 100% original. It's a very clean, well documented driver, which is what I wanted.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2706077
10/11/19 11:20 PM
10/11/19 11:20 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
I was under the car today and got a look at the casting number on the block. It's 1/24/67, so I'm pretty confident it's the original engine since the car was ordered in April 67. But it appears the carb is not original since it is a 4426s AVS, which is for a 68 383 4 speed according to my research.
Also had to swap the master cylinder since it started leaking the second time I drove it.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: Jim_Lusk]
#2706739
10/14/19 03:25 PM
10/14/19 03:25 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Thanks for the offer, Jim, but right now, I'm not going to swap out anything major. Probably going to rebuild the carb and dial in the tune. It's not idling well and smells rich.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: 65pacecar]
#2707894
10/18/19 12:01 AM
10/18/19 12:01 AM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Beautiful car, I love that body style and color. Would love to see it in person at Fall Fling if you can make it down for the show the weekend after next. Have fun with it. Thanks. Won't make it to Fall Fling this year. Maybe someday it will make it to Spring Fling.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2708413
10/19/19 09:39 PM
10/19/19 09:39 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,464
Back in NJ....
EWJ
master
|
master
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 3,464
Back in NJ....
|
Ripping car. Thanks for sharing  
Ed
EastCoast Land Yacht Assoc.
1967 Newport Conv: 440/4 speed
1969 GTX: 440/4 speed, TX9/TX9, A34, N96
1970 Super Bee: 383/4 speed, B5/B7
1970 Coronet RT: 440/4 speed, A34, N96
1970 Coronet RT: 440/auto, A36, N96
1970 Road Runner convertible: 383/4 speed TX9/D6XW
1970 GTX: 440+6/727, A32, N96
2001 Dodge 2500 HO CTD, 6 speed, 4x4 quad cab long bed
"The early bird may get the worm, but the 2nd mouse gets the cheese".
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: NANKET]
#2726859
12/25/19 05:20 PM
12/25/19 05:20 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,282
Danville, NH
Mopar_Mike
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 4,282
Danville, NH
|
Not to knock the car, as you can see I love 67's lol.. I think the fender emblems are on backwards.. It should read Belvedere II not II Belvedere.. Super nice car tho!!
RS23L7 4-Speed
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2727730
12/28/19 02:59 PM
12/28/19 02:59 PM
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,399
It's a dry heat
gtx6970
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 21,399
It's a dry heat
|
After having been without a Mopar for about 2 1/2 years, I now am the proud owner of a 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed. I sold the '68 Valiant (formerly Tim Werner's car) back in November 2016 and had my sights set on finding a '68 or '69 Barracuda 340 4 speed car. The Barracuda market is insane and finding a decent 340 4 speed car proved to be difficult, so I opened up my options to '66 or '67 Plymouth B bodies, which I have long admired. I found this car on a Facebook Belvedere/GTX group. The guy had purchased it recently and posted a pic. I asked if it was for sale. He said yes and gave me a price. We talked and exchange texts and I decided to try to find someone local to the car (it was in PA) to check it out for me. I got a couple of people who offered to look at it for me and a guy on another Mopar forum offered to look at it for me since he has family in the area the car was located. Long story short, he ended being a flake and while trying to juggle his schedule and the seller's, the seller changed his mind. The seller told me he wanted to keep it to enjoy through the summer, but would keep my contact info and he would give me first dibs if/when he decided to sell it. This was at the end of April. A month later, he texts me telling me it's going on the market if I'm still interested. I told him yes and arranged to have a professional appraiser/car inspector look at it. Once I got his report, I pulled the trigger. It took over two months to get a transport company that I trusted to haul it for me. Let's just say that Intercity Lines is great if you're Jay Leno or Wayne Carini. If you're a small-time guy, well, don't hold your breath. I found a father/son team that did a great job for me.
Anyway, on to the car! It's a 383, 4 speed, 3.23 sure-grip, manual steering, manual drum brakes. The car was marketed to me as a survivor and in many ways, I think it is, although I am no expert. It is very well documented and seems very original, but has had some things done to it, such as newer gas tank, electronic ignition and I think the front carpet may have been replaced. I also think some of the car has been repainted, possibly the front clip. I have the original window sticker, Certicard, Owner's Manual, the original handwritten car order and Certificate of Title. It was purchased at Men-Guer Chrysler-Plymouth in Struthers, OH in May 1967. Other documents include timeslips from York Dragway and Sunset Drag Strip. There is also a Class Winner badge from 1968 that came with it. Not sure which dragstrip. though.
It was apparently in storage owned by the same family for a long time. It was sold in early 2017, then auctioned at Spring Carlisle 2017.
I'm looking for the build sheet. It's not under the back seat. I did find a strange section of multi-colored wire and the rear seat belts were taped up and hidden under the back seat.
Here are some pics. Thats a really good looking car. Mind if I ask who you had transport it across country. pm me if you prefer
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: Mopar_Mike]
#2728918
01/01/20 11:48 AM
01/01/20 11:48 AM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
Not to knock the car, as you can see I love 67's lol.. I think the fender emblems are on backwards.. It should read Belvedere II not II Belvedere.. Super nice car tho!! Yes, I had noticed that as well. The car was painted and most of the trim was flawlessly removed and reinstalled except for that emblem and the passenger side taillight housing. Need to address those problems when I have time. Right now I'm rebuilding the carburetor.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: gtx6970]
#2728919
01/01/20 11:48 AM
01/01/20 11:48 AM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
After having been without a Mopar for about 2 1/2 years, I now am the proud owner of a 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed. I sold the '68 Valiant (formerly Tim Werner's car) back in November 2016 and had my sights set on finding a '68 or '69 Barracuda 340 4 speed car. The Barracuda market is insane and finding a decent 340 4 speed car proved to be difficult, so I opened up my options to '66 or '67 Plymouth B bodies, which I have long admired. I found this car on a Facebook Belvedere/GTX group. The guy had purchased it recently and posted a pic. I asked if it was for sale. He said yes and gave me a price. We talked and exchange texts and I decided to try to find someone local to the car (it was in PA) to check it out for me. I got a couple of people who offered to look at it for me and a guy on another Mopar forum offered to look at it for me since he has family in the area the car was located. Long story short, he ended being a flake and while trying to juggle his schedule and the seller's, the seller changed his mind. The seller told me he wanted to keep it to enjoy through the summer, but would keep my contact info and he would give me first dibs if/when he decided to sell it. This was at the end of April. A month later, he texts me telling me it's going on the market if I'm still interested. I told him yes and arranged to have a professional appraiser/car inspector look at it. Once I got his report, I pulled the trigger. It took over two months to get a transport company that I trusted to haul it for me. Let's just say that Intercity Lines is great if you're Jay Leno or Wayne Carini. If you're a small-time guy, well, don't hold your breath. I found a father/son team that did a great job for me.
Anyway, on to the car! It's a 383, 4 speed, 3.23 sure-grip, manual steering, manual drum brakes. The car was marketed to me as a survivor and in many ways, I think it is, although I am no expert. It is very well documented and seems very original, but has had some things done to it, such as newer gas tank, electronic ignition and I think the front carpet may have been replaced. I also think some of the car has been repainted, possibly the front clip. I have the original window sticker, Certicard, Owner's Manual, the original handwritten car order and Certificate of Title. It was purchased at Men-Guer Chrysler-Plymouth in Struthers, OH in May 1967. Other documents include timeslips from York Dragway and Sunset Drag Strip. There is also a Class Winner badge from 1968 that came with it. Not sure which dragstrip. though.
It was apparently in storage owned by the same family for a long time. It was sold in early 2017, then auctioned at Spring Carlisle 2017.
I'm looking for the build sheet. It's not under the back seat. I did find a strange section of multi-colored wire and the rear seat belts were taped up and hidden under the back seat.
Here are some pics. Thats a really good looking car. Mind if I ask who you had transport it across country. pm me if you prefer PM sent.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
Re: 1967 Belvedere II 383 4 speed
[Re: lilcuda]
#2763988
04/14/20 08:22 PM
04/14/20 08:22 PM
|
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
lilcuda
OP
super stock
|
OP
super stock
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 701
Northern California
|
An update:
After a bit of searching, I was able to track down an address of the guy who I suspected was the original owner. It was difficult because he has a very common name in his state. Anyway, after some internet sleuthing, I found a PO Box and wrote to the guy. Today I got a phone call. It was him! I was so excited I nearly jumped out of my skin! The car had changed hands quite a few times and I didn't have the full story about it's history.
He told me that he bought the car right after he got out of the service and returned home from Vietnam. He bought it to go drag racing and told me he would have bought a Belvedere I but he didn't like the cloth interior, so he ordered this car. The only luxury item he ordered was the sport steering wheel. Everything else he ordered was to just go fast. He did get the 3 inch brakes as well so he could stop it (sort of).
He took it to Carlon Hine of Hine Motors (of Honkin Hemi fame) and Hine put a '68 roadrunner cam & springs in it and also installed the '68 intake & carb. He also had 4.10s put in the rear. Said it ran good. I have a timeslip with 14.33 @ 98 mph on it that came with the documentation. He was running Hooker Headers back then, so somewhere along the line, manifolds got put back on it, which is fine with me.
During the conversation, he mentioned that he tossed the build sheet. He put the rear seatbelts under the seat for some reason and he found the build sheet and tossed it because nobody cared about them back then.
After a while (I think he said in the 80's) he gave the car to his son with the stipulation that if he got tired of it, he would give it back. That didn't happen. The son sold it and it was clear that there was no love lost between them. I told him that if I ever decide to sell it, I'll give him first crack at it.
All in all, it was neat to talk with the guy and I would have kept talking longer, but I was on the clock working from home, so I had to cut it short at a half hour. He was really nice and told me to call him if other questions come up.
'67 is an abbreviation of 1967
67' is an abbreviation of 67 feet
They are not interchangeable.
|
|
|
|
|
