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Re: Anyone considering a iPhone 11 ? [Re: DirectSubjection] #2698795
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Originally Posted by DirectSubjection
Originally Posted by Jim_Lusk
My Galaxy S8 is supposed to be waterproof. I'm not going to try it. .


My S5 is too - never tested it lol. My only smartphone I have ever had, still works great and takes better pictures than my coworker's Iphone

The original pic size is 5312 x 2988 - 4.8mb, too big to upload here


That's a great pic but if you can believe it they get better with each phone. My S9 pics made my S6 pics seem bad, even though they weren't.

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Stay on offtopic you apimp..... laugh2

The one reason I might consider the 11 is the better speaker phone feature

The iPhone 4 I had was pathetic... the 6 is bester... but I hear the 11 is even better than the Samsung’s ... which is saying A LOT


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The original Google Pixel XL that I bought reconditioned for $230 is still impressing me.

I bought a $22 Otterbox Defender case for it and signed up for the $15 per month Mint Mobile 3 GB plan that buys time on TMobile. These OG Pixel XLs are now down to about $150.
Very good camera. Good WiFi calling that uses very little battery.
Easily creates a WiFi hotspot for other devices.
Google has made The new Android 10 available for this old phone but I am waiting another two months before installing it because Android 9 Pie is working so well at present.

Accubattery says my year old battery is still at 98% capacity but I suspect it is really 88%, but that is adequate for 2 days of my use.
I rarely charge past 72%.
I wish the battery was 5000 ma-hr rather than 3450 even if that made the phone slightly thicker.
I wish there was an external antenna jack.

I have several relatives that always update to the newest iPhone and they regularly offer to give me their old phones.
I am typing this on an iPad Air2.
I have been using Macs since 1990, all Windows versions since original PC, Linux since 1994, etc.

Re: Anyone considering a iPhone 11 ? [Re: stumpy] #2698938
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Samsung galaxy J4 that came free with my consumer cellular. But I don't think it will work from a cardboard box in Florida. Don't start none won't be none. tsk


Boy-o-boy... a lot of hostility directed towards ol' Doc here... especially since he is considering a product from an American company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.

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Apple Inc. is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Cupertino, California


Your Samsung? Not so much...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

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Samsung (Korean: 삼성; Hanja: 三星; Korean pronunciation: [samsʌŋ]; means "tristar" in English) is a South Korean multinational conglomerate headquartered in Samsung Town, Seoul.


So much for America First... laugh2

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Phone came free with consumer cellular so I don't much care what brand it was. It works fine and that's what matters.

Re: Anyone considering a iPhone 11 ? [Re: ChryCoGuy] #2699204
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Your one goofy mis informed dude, id worry about my own country and your PM-s current problems before throwing stones at others.

https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503

Here is your us based company I phoney.







Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy
Originally Posted by stumpy
Samsung galaxy J4 that came free with my consumer cellular. But I don't think it will work from a cardboard box in Florida. Don't start none won't be none. tsk


Boy-o-boy... a lot of hostility directed towards ol' Doc here... especially since he is considering a product from an American company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.

Quote
Apple Inc. is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Cupertino, California


Your Samsung? Not so much...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

Quote
Samsung (Korean: 삼성; Hanja: 三星; Korean pronunciation: [samsʌŋ]; means "tristar" in English) is a South Korean multinational conglomerate headquartered in Samsung Town, Seoul.


So much for America First... laugh2



Anyone who has bought an iPhone or another Apple product has seen the note on the company’s packaging that its products are designed in California, but that doesn't mean they're manufactured there. Answering the question of where the iPhone is made isn't simple.
Assembled vs. Manufactured

When trying to understand where Apple manufactures its devices, there are two key concepts that sound similar but are different: assembling and manufacturing.

Manufacturing is the process of making the components that go into the iPhone. While Apple designs and sells the iPhone, it doesn't manufacture its components. Instead, Apple uses manufacturers from around the world to deliver individual parts. The manufacturers specialize in particular items — camera specialists manufacture the lens and camera assembly, screen specialists build the display, and so on.

Assembling, on the other hand, is the process of taking all the individual components built by specialist manufacturers and combining them into a finished, working iPhone.
The iPhone's Component Manufacturers

Because there are hundreds of individual components in every iPhone, it's not possible to list every manufacturer whose products are found on the phone. It's also difficult to discern exactly where those components are made because sometimes one company builds the same component at multiple factories. Some of the suppliers of key or interesting parts for the iPhone 5S, 6, and 6S and where they operate, included:

Accelerometer: Bosch Sensortech, based in Germany with locations in the U.S., China, South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan
Audio chips: Cirrus Logic, based in the U.S. with locations in the U.K., China, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore
Battery: Samsung, based in South Korea with locations in 80 countries
Battery: Sunwoda Electronic, based in China
Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
Camera: Sony, based in Japan with locations in dozens of countries
Chips for 3G/4G/LTE networking: Qualcomm
Compass: AKM Semiconductor, based in Japan with locations in the U.S., France, England, China, South Korea, and Taiwan
Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan, The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates

Gyroscope: STMicroelectronics. Based in Switzerland, with locations in 35 countries
Flash memory: Toshiba, based in Japan with locations in over 50 countries
Flash memory: Samsung
LCD screen: Sharp, based in Japan with locations in 13 countries
LCD screen: LG, based in South Korea with locations in Poland and China
A-series processor: Samsung
A-series processor: TSMC, based in Taiwan with locations in China, Singapore, and the U.S.
Touch ID: TSMC
Touch ID: Xintec. Based in Taiwan.
Touch-screen controller: Broadcom, based in the U.S. with locations in Israel, Greece, the U.K., the Netherlands, Belgium, France, India, China, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea
Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain, the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland

The iPhone's Assemblers

The components manufactured by those companies all around the world are ultimately sent to just two companies to assemble into iPods, iPhones, and iPads. Those companies are Foxconn and Pegatron, both of which are based in Taiwan.

Technically, Foxconn is the company’s trade name; the firm’s official name is Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. Foxconn is Apple's longest running partner in building these devices. It currently assembles the majority of Apple's iPhones in its Shenzen, China, location, although Foxconn maintains factories in countries across the world, including Thailand, Malaysia, the Czech Republic, South Korea, Singapore, and the Philippines.

Pegatron is a relatively recent addition to the iPhone assembly process. It is estimated that it built about 30 percent of the iPhone 6 orders in its Chinese plants.
Conclusion

As you can see, the answer to the question of where the iPhone is made isn't simple. It can boil down to China since that's where all the components are assembled, and the final, working devices come from, but it's a complex, nuanced worldwide effort to manufacture all the parts that go into making an iPhone.

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Re: Anyone considering a iPhone 11 ? [Re: Mr. Potatohead] #2699215
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Originally Posted by JRB
Your one goofy mis informed dude, id worry about my own country and your PM-s current problems before throwing stones at others.

https://www.lifewire.com/where-is-the-iphone-made-1999503

Here is your us based company I phoney.







Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy
Originally Posted by stumpy
Samsung galaxy J4 that came free with my consumer cellular. But I don't think it will work from a cardboard box in Florida. Don't start none won't be none. tsk


Boy-o-boy... a lot of hostility directed towards ol' Doc here... especially since he is considering a product from an American company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc.

Quote
Apple Inc. is an American multinational technology company headquartered in Cupertino, California


Your Samsung? Not so much...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung

Quote
Samsung (Korean: 삼성; Hanja: 三星; Korean pronunciation: [samsʌŋ]; means "tristar" in English) is a South Korean multinational conglomerate headquartered in Samsung Town, Seoul.


So much for America First... laugh2



Anyone who has bought an iPhone or another Apple product has seen the note on the company’s packaging that its products are designed in California, but that doesn't mean they're manufactured there. Answering the question of where the iPhone is made isn't simple.
Assembled vs. Manufactured

When trying to understand where Apple manufactures its devices, there are two key concepts that sound similar but are different: assembling and manufacturing.

Manufacturing is the process of making the components that go into the iPhone. While Apple designs and sells the iPhone, it doesn't manufacture its components. Instead, Apple uses manufacturers from around the world to deliver individual parts. The manufacturers specialize in particular items — camera specialists manufacture the lens and camera assembly, screen specialists build the display, and so on.

Assembling, on the other hand, is the process of taking all the individual components built by specialist manufacturers and combining them into a finished, working iPhone.
The iPhone's Component Manufacturers

Because there are hundreds of individual components in every iPhone, it's not possible to list every manufacturer whose products are found on the phone. It's also difficult to discern exactly where those components are made because sometimes one company builds the same component at multiple factories. Some of the suppliers of key or interesting parts for the iPhone 5S, 6, and 6S and where they operate, included:

Accelerometer: Bosch Sensortech, based in Germany with locations in the U.S., China, South Korea, Japan, and Taiwan
Audio chips: Cirrus Logic, based in the U.S. with locations in the U.K., China, South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and Singapore
Battery: Samsung, based in South Korea with locations in 80 countries
Battery: Sunwoda Electronic, based in China
Camera: Qualcomm, based in the U.S. with locations in Australia, Brazil, China, India, Indonesia, Japan, South Korea, and more than a dozen locations through Europe and Latin America
Camera: Sony, based in Japan with locations in dozens of countries
Chips for 3G/4G/LTE networking: Qualcomm
Compass: AKM Semiconductor, based in Japan with locations in the U.S., France, England, China, South Korea, and Taiwan
Glass screen: Corning, based in the U.S., with locations in Australia, Belgium, Brazil, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Hong Kong, India, Israel, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Malaysia, Mexico, Philippines, Poland, Russia, Singapore, South Africa, Spain, Taiwan, The Netherlands, Turkey, the U.K., and the United Arab Emirates

Gyroscope: STMicroelectronics. Based in Switzerland, with locations in 35 countries
Flash memory: Toshiba, based in Japan with locations in over 50 countries
Flash memory: Samsung
LCD screen: Sharp, based in Japan with locations in 13 countries
LCD screen: LG, based in South Korea with locations in Poland and China
A-series processor: Samsung
A-series processor: TSMC, based in Taiwan with locations in China, Singapore, and the U.S.
Touch ID: TSMC
Touch ID: Xintec. Based in Taiwan.
Touch-screen controller: Broadcom, based in the U.S. with locations in Israel, Greece, the U.K., the Netherlands, Belgium, France, India, China, Taiwan, Singapore, and South Korea
Wi-Fi chip: Murata, based in the U.S. with locations in Japan, Mexico, Brazil, Canada, China, Taiwan, South Korea, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines, India, Vietnam, The Netherlands, Spain, the U.K., Germany, Hungary, France, Italy, and Finland

The iPhone's Assemblers

The components manufactured by those companies all around the world are ultimately sent to just two companies to assemble into iPods, iPhones, and iPads. Those companies are Foxconn and Pegatron, both of which are based in Taiwan.

Technically, Foxconn is the company’s trade name; the firm’s official name is Hon Hai Precision Industry Co. Ltd. Foxconn is Apple's longest running partner in building these devices. It currently assembles the majority of Apple's iPhones in its Shenzen, China, location, although Foxconn maintains factories in countries across the world, including Thailand, Malaysia, the Czech Republic, South Korea, Singapore, and the Philippines.

Pegatron is a relatively recent addition to the iPhone assembly process. It is estimated that it built about 30 percent of the iPhone 6 orders in its Chinese plants.
Conclusion

As you can see, the answer to the question of where the iPhone is made isn't simple. It can boil down to China since that's where all the components are assembled, and the final, working devices come from, but it's a complex, nuanced worldwide effort to manufacture all the parts that go into making an iPhone.

Samsung
The History of Samsung (1938-Present)
Turbo VPN
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Illustration of 5G news in a newspaper surrounded by a drink, eyeglasses, and a pencil
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A man in a wheelchair using the Xbox Adaptive Controller.
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An Apple Watch Series 5 on a man's wrist.
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Illustration of Sony, Samsung, LG, Vizio, Philips Magnavox, and Toshiba TVs in a retail display


LOL... you may be right. I can own 'goofy', but you just spent way too much time on that there to prove me wrong.

The message: Doc asked a simple question about an iphone (of which a crap I don't give), and all he got was negative crap slung at him from some of our crustier members. So, I thought it would be fun to sling back a little using the same lame argument always used about "American" vs "foreign" cars... i.e. what country to the profits go back to.

You've illustrated the same ol' argument that things are always way more complicated than that, in the car industry and in the phone industry.

For me, I couldn't care less if all smartphones disappeared from the face of the earth, but the Doc deserves more respect than that.

So... thanks!

P.S. We are facing an election in Canada with no clearly good candidates. Our current PM is an ass and all other PM wannabees are not much better. We are screwed, but I'm not allowed to talk about politics here, so I'll stop it at that. You brought it up, so I figured it deserved comment. Have a nice day!

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Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy

For me, I couldn't care less if all smartphones disappeared from the face of the earth, but the Doc deserves more respect than that.


I'll agree with half of that statement... up

The 2nd half... work...not so much... biggrin whistling


Loving all the tears... bawling

Sorry Doc...

We'll try again in 2 years...up

Edited...Looks like it will be 6 years...biggrin
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Blasted things cost way too much for me to justify upgrading any sooner than four years of use. Anyways, iPhones absolutely have the best interface that has been consistent through their entire production run. They also don't suffer from being loaded with crapware from the manufacturer and/or service provider since Apple keeps a tight control of their phones. On the flip side Apple does some really stupid stuff concerning design like getting rid of the headphone jack and expecting you to use a dongle or stupidly expensive Bluetooth headphones. Managing photos and their maps app are stupidly annoying.

Androids are fractured as a myriad of manufacturers make the phones. Each one has their own customization to the interface and app load out. Interface between even different versions of Android can be wildly different. That being said you can still get Android powered phones with headphone jacks, removal storage and even batteries.

I have a Galaxy S8 and for what I need a phone to do iOS (Apple) is far too restrictive. Honestly though, if you're comparing Samsung and Apple they're both high end brands. If you don't use external headphones and don't need removable/upgradable storage then I would probably lean towards an iPhone.

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I have apple products but no way I'm getting a phone that costs as much as a computer.

Re: Anyone considering a iPhone 11 ? [Re: skicker] #2699334
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Originally Posted by skicker
Originally Posted by ChryCoGuy

For me, I couldn't care less if all smartphones disappeared from the face of the earth, but the Doc deserves more respect than that.


I'll agree with half of that statement... up

The 2nd half... work...not so much... biggrin whistling


sOnNy .... yer outa my will ! ... it all goes to my 20ish Asian Lady Friend !


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Come on Doc, get a lady thats not "daughter" age and you might not need to ask so many questions from us seasoned adults.


My family is a bunch of Fruits and Vegetables and many cant tell us apart. EAT ME!
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Originally Posted by JRB
Come on Doc, get a lady thats not "daughter" age and you might not need to ask so many questions from us seasoned adults.


Come on jRb ....make up yer mind ! .... you advised me to get a KITTY ... and that I have up

But you still need more posts ! .... you being the SEASONED CITIZEN you are penguin


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Hey as long as it not one of Yorkers girls its all good. Im trying to get more posts but cant get no traction.


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Hey Doc, I just made the connection. You, Young Asian Lady, Florida,...... Your Robert Kraft, the owner of the Pats! I need in your will.

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Originally Posted by JRB
Hey Doc, I just made the connection. You, Young Asian Lady, Florida,...... Your Robert Kraft, the owner of the Pats! I need in your will.


no NO .. the only one that spends money like Kraft is sOnNy !


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Give old Flapperblast a break... work


Wassssupy tBlooper ? ... why is there a bee in your bonnet? tsk


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