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An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? #2688816
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Starts fine when it has been running but cold start ... it will jsta click many times before the starter engages ? No loose wires or connections I can see ..... shruggy

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2688838
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Double check the battery terminal cable connections both ends.

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: stumpy] #2688921
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As you know clicking is inadequate voltage at the starter. What Stump said clean all the large cables/terminals/connections & if that don't do it clean the ground paths. Are you sure the battery is good/charged?


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Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Starts fine when it has been running but cold start ... it will jsta click many times before the starter engages ? No loose wires or connections I can see ..... shruggy


Likely the contacts in the starter are worn out, cheap on ebay and easy to change. If you wait too long something really cool happens... contacts weld together, starter sticks on and tears up flywheel, or you shut engine off and it cranks till battery dies or starter and wiring burn up. A wise person with a clicky mini starter would carry a wrench to disconect the battery.

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: stumpy] #2688942
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Originally Posted by stumpy
Double check the battery terminal cable connections both ends.


Thx stumpster .. I’ll double check when I get it on the ramps at my shop

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: RapidRobert] #2688944
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Originally Posted by RapidRobert
As you know clicking is inadequate voltage at the starter. What Stump said clean all the large cables/terminals/connections & if that don't do it clean the ground paths. Are you sure the battery is good/charged?


RR .... that’s what I initially thought too .... but there is no appearance of any loss or voltage .... it will do the solid clicks THEN when it hits its a solid spinning the starter. The battery is a newer Wally World 5 year piece.

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: 4406bbl] #2688946
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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Starts fine when it has been running but cold start ... it will jsta click many times before the starter engages ? No loose wires or connections I can see ..... shruggy


Likely the contacts in the starter are worn out, cheap on ebay and easy to change. If you wait too long something really cool happens... contacts weld together, starter sticks on and tears up flywheel, or you shut engine off and it cranks till battery dies or starter and wiring burn up. A wise person with a clicky mini starter would carry a wrench to disconect the battery.


Wow ... I’ll be prepared !! Thx for that tip.

Any tips on changing these contacts ? This kit available at a local parts store ? I have ZERO experience with this starter ...

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2688950
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Remove starter, pretty simple, just remove the solenoid cap, no need to mess with the motor part. I think advance auto has a kit, utube has videos.

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This kit covers covers Toyota tooooooo??!!

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Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2689101
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I ain't done it (yet) but there was something about that if you rotate the round copper contact in the solenoid to fresh metal that it will be good to go for a long time.


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Gotta be honest RR .... never had ANY TYPE of starter apart !

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: dIc dOc Deity !] #2689347
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another thing to check is the starter relay in the underhood fuse box. try switching a relay from another [known good working] position. this, at least, will show if the relay is possibly taking a dump.
there is a diagnostic tree in the FSM that shows how to test the wiring at the starter relay position.
i have had a couple of caRRoT vans have had the same issues as you are experiencing. one, the relay was bad, the other had a bad wire connection, causing the relay to not function.
have had a ton of starter contactors over the years act up and burn/pit/weld together. they are easy to change.
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Thx mopX ..... I was thimking about that relay in the back of my mind .... sure is a simple test IN FACT the last time I was at the JY I grabbed much of the contents of two fuse boxes out of two vans.

In Yurr experiences ... what failure happens most ? Those words WELD and BURN are scary when it comes to electrical issues !

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With a denso starter, if it is clicking, put an ear or hand on it, it is not the relay, contacts are about shot.

Re: An ODD 3.8 starter issue ???? [Re: 4406bbl] #2689687
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usually, the contacts replaced will cure your problem DoC.
they get pitted and burnt from the amperage needed to spin the starter over when voltage is applied.
your carrot van is not ready to burn down [yet].
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Back when we had a couple 94 & 95 Intrepids, we changed the contacts on the Desno starters a lot. It got to the point we would drop the strater out, pull the contacts out, file them flat again, reinstall the contacts and then reinstall the starter. All was good for another year. We got 5 or 6 years and nearly 250K miles out of each of those Intrepids. Only issues were the starter contacts and those stupid inner tie rod rubber bushings.
I probably have a set of the old starter contacts in a drawer somewhere around here. Gene

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Originally Posted by 4406bbl
With a denso starter, if it is clicking, put an ear or hand on it, it is not the relay, contacts are about shot.


It’s NOT the relay .... so it’s a lifetime warranty starter off eBay from Kentucky it is !

I would have gotten it locally BUT at almost twice the money ? .... not this guy - I’m cheaper than a Hoe truck driver from New Yack !

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Originally Posted by moparx
usually, the contacts replaced will cure your problem DoC.
they get pitted and burnt from the amperage needed to spin the starter over when voltage is applied.
your carrot van is not ready to burn down [yet].
beer


Why THANKX mopX ! ..... yet !

If I knew more about the innards of said starter I’d pull it apart and tweak those contacts .... and if this Kentucky starter comes in on time ... I’ll do some investigation of same on the old one .

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Originally Posted by poorboy
Back when we had a couple 94 & 95 Intrepids, we changed the contacts on the Desno starters a lot. It got to the point we would drop the strater out, pull the contacts out, file them flat again, reinstall the contacts and then reinstall the starter. All was good for another year. We got 5 or 6 years and nearly 250K miles out of each of those Intrepids. Only issues were the starter contacts and those stupid inner tie rod rubber bushings.
I probably have a set of the old starter contacts in a drawer somewhere around here. Gene


Thx pb ..... if my other vehicle was roadworthy.....I would pop that old starter out and give that a shot. My Chrysler 200 is waiting on inner fender shields ... so the CarrotVan is my only daily driver now.

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once you tear into your old starter, you will quickly find out just how EaSy those contacts are to replace.
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