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top ring for a second ring? #2686318
08/10/19 06:09 PM
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Long story short,I'm short a second ring but have extra top rings on a total seal file fit sets.Can I use a top ring for the second ring on one cylilinder? to me they look the same and are the same size but different material.I hate to have to buy another set if I really don't have to.

Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2686319
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I wouldn't do it. You can buy a single ring.

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I have never tried it, but I would think it would depend on the type of rings you are using, if it is just a cheap set of iron rings, and they have bevels on the inside of the ring, just flip the extra top ring put the bevel down. On all rings I have used the bevel faces up on the top rind and down on the second ring. If it has a moly barrel face ring with no bevels then I don't think I would try it. Most companies will sell a set for one cylinder.

Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2686324
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Awful lot of work and expense if it doesn't work...


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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2686328
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Single rings are sold everyday. Probably moly top cast second but it should say on the box.


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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2686330
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Yep Ill look around town. Nothing from the internet that I can find. Top is molly second cast

Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2686337
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Originally Posted by stinger
Yep Ill look around town. Nothing from the internet that I can find. Top is molly second cast




What size is it. Maybe one of us have one.


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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2686340
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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2686341
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Originally Posted by stinger
Long story short,I'm short a second ring but have extra top rings on a total seal file fit sets.Can I use a top ring for the second ring on one cylilinder? to me they look the same and are the same size but different material.I hate to have to buy another set if I really don't have to.


Don't do it! The second ring is a scraper ring that does more to control oil than seal compression. It will likely burn oil like crazy if you do.


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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: B3RE] #2686347
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It happened to me a few years back on a friends 360 and when we ordered the single ring it was about 1/2 the price of the full set which sucked

Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2686376
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Call Total seal direct and tell them you had one broken ring in the set when you opened it up scope devil
I had one of there rings break while trying to install it years ago, it broke where a bubble was in the ring shock shruggy
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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2686383
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I found a single cylinder kit at summit for 30 bucks shipped. I didn't think it was a good idea but had to ask. Thanks all!

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generally speaking, top and 2nd rings have inside chamfers that are in a different position between the two. they're made to work in different directions. some cheaper ring don't have the chamfers. this is the reason that rings are stamped with a "pip" mark to keep the chamfers in their proper location.

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Other than the ring material I can't see a difference between the two in this set. Readers on and holding them up to a light. the bevel must be microscopic.

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Originally Posted by stinger
Other than the ring material I can't see a difference between the two in this set. Readers on and holding them up to a light. the bevel must be microscopic.
the bevel is to the inside. look to see if the rings have a pip mark.

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Some top rings have a barrel face, some don't. shruggy
Most 2nd rings have a reverse taper on the inside, some don't scope


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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2687245
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DO NOT interchange rings as their cross sectional shape, as well as the tensions, gaps, coatings and OD shapes are different. Rings are a science.

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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: stinger] #2687258
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I might have some extras. I'll look when I get home


Never mind, they are the -35 part number, sorry.

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Re: top ring for a second ring? [Re: 451Mopar] #2687269
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Originally Posted by 451Mopar
I might have some extras. I'll look when I get home


Never mind, they are the -35 part number, sorry.
The 4.355 bore size file to fit rings may fit perfectly in the 4.360 scope
I wouldn't hesitate to try them to see if they will fit with little or no grinding on the ends to make them fit in the 4.360 bore twocents
OP, use a bright light under the ring to see if any light shows between the ring and the cylinder wall with the ring squared up in the bore scope
if is does show light don't use it tsk


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