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727 transmission full manual valve body ? #890607
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I have a 727 SB trans behind my 5.7 hemi. I have a transgo-2 kit installed. What I really want is a reverse pattern, full manual shift with 1st gear braking.
1) Can I modify my valve body? How ?
2) Do I need to buy a modified valve body? Who's'

Don

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890608
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you will need to purchase a VB

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890609
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I really like the Griner manual valve body's.
There are other good ones, but that is what I run in my 727 and have been happy.

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890610
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do you want one for racing or the street?
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: robnbird] #890611
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Its for my black 5.7 hemi street rod. But I want to race it from stop light to stop light. Due a design error there is no way to connect the kick down/throttle linkage. I was told the only way to do away with that linkage is to go to a full manual valve boddy. Plus I want the braking effect in first gear. I also like the reverse shift pattern.
1) So, is a Griner VB an easy swap? I was told I would also need to change the reverse servo arm to a 4.2 if I went with a manual VB. Could I still run the stock arm?
Don
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890612
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My dad and I both run the Cheetah pro street manual valve body (17675) on street cars, and love 'em. They are forward pattern though.

http://www.turboaction.com/vb1.html
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890613
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i have used the griner manual vb with the band on in first gear in four transmissions i have done one had a 2.9 lever , a 3.2 lever they shifted mint.no overlap on the 2-3 shift.all of these trans originally had turbo action valve bodies,that were burning high gear clutches.all of my customers noticed a diffrence in shift feel.one unit i got to recheck because he broke the motor ,the clutches and band were mint.it is the best vb you can buy.give 727 specialist a call he can hook you up with a vb later john.
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: B1Johnny] #890614
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u can buy a cable setup from lokar for kickdown,the only thing thats going to happen trying to go to low to slow down is sliding rear tires.
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890615
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Give John Cope a call at CRT, 219-374-0100. Im running one of his reverse manual Valve bodies in my 69 Bee street car. Works great and John is one of the best.

Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890616
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No one addressed the 1st gear braking issue you asked about. Griner sells a standard and a reverse pattern manual. Don't have a clue about TA, A&A, Tranzact. The standard pattern has first gear braking. Mancini and Lokar has the goods to hook up your kickdown linkage.
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: Dabee] #890617
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Give John Cope a call at CRT, 219-374-0100. Im running one of his reverse manual Valve bodies in my 69 Bee street car. Works great and John is one of the best.



I Have John's also and his has the Low band apply

https://www.coperacingtrans.com/index.php?cPath=23&osCsid=28592983f17b5d92e5d2bbd7e90c4a2a

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: megajoltman] #890618
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Give John Cope a call at CRT, 219-374-0100. Im running one of his reverse manual Valve bodies in my 69 Bee street car. Works great and John is one of the best.



I Have John's also and his has the Low band apply

https://www.coperacingtrans.com/index.php?cPath=23&osCsid=28592983f17b5d92e5d2bbd7e90c4a2a




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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: Voluster] #890619
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CRT,John fixed me up a full manual foward shift low band apply VB

used the CRT billet low/revs servo also

no kickdown linkage for my 88 440 truck

IIRC the trans go-3 shift kit makes it full manual shift,but forward shift pattern

thats a nice street rod too

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890620
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Plus I want the braking effect in first gear. I also like the reverse shift pattern.
1) So, is a Griner VB an easy swap? I was told I would also need to change the reverse servo arm to a 4.2 if I went with a manual VB. Could I still run the stock arm?
Don

My Griner manual valve body has low band apply (1st gear braking). The lever arm is for the front band, not the rear.

Front sevro/band and lever: 2nd gear
Rear servo/band: 1st (if low band apply) and reverse (all valve bodies)

I use a 3.8 lever, so I see no problem with a 3.2 or 3.8, or even the 4.2. The billet rear servo is a good idea if you are going to be down shifting to 1st (rear servo/low band apply). I like the $75 kit that Randy sells with a heavy duty spring and retainer with the servo, see the parts for sale section of this web site.
Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: Voluster] #890621
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Give John Cope a call at CRT, 219-374-0100. Im running one of his reverse manual Valve bodies in my 69 Bee street car. Works great and John is one of the best.



I Have John's also and his has the Low band apply

https://www.coperacingtrans.com/index.php?cPath=23&osCsid=28592983f17b5d92e5d2bbd7e90c4a2a




X3

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x4. i recommend it highly. p.s., i LOVE your car! the gen III hemi thing is where i'm headed, i think. is there an adapter available for torqueflite?

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: maximum entropy] #890622
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Thanks All,
looks like I'll go either Cope or Griner.

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The torqueflite bolts up to a 5.7, same bolt pattern. I bought a flex plate from Mancini to adapt the crank to the torqueflite converter. Running a Mopar intake with Carb and MSD Hemi-6 ignition. All pretty simple.
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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #890623
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Contact member 727specialists. He assembles valve bodies for Griner. Keith will take care of you.

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: Exit1965] #2685433
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Originally Posted by Exit1965
My dad and I both run the Cheetah pro street manual valve body (17675) on street cars, and love 'em. They are forward pattern though.

http://www.turboaction.com/vb1.html

I am running the T/A reverse manual
There are some now that let you do 1st gear burnout though.
I know CRT used to recommend one that did as he use them in his builds .

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: slantzilla] #2685694
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Originally Posted by slantzilla
Contact member 727specialists. He assembles valve bodies for Griner. Keith will take care of you. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beer.gif" alt="" />


I would go with this fellow before Cope. Jim.

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Re: 727 transmission full manual valve body ? [Re: 410mopar] #2685700
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W/r/t "Due a design error there is no way to connect the kick down/throttle linkage. I was told the only way to do away with that linkage is to go to a full manual valve boddy"
Let me translate: the person who told you this doesn't know how.

Drove a full manual on the street 50 years ago. Gets old 10 minutes into traffic. I actually wore out the detent steps in the shift gate. Can't drive the car at all if it rains in the next town, the car will loop at 10 mph on the 1-2 shift unless the wheels are straight.
A loose converter fixes a lot of this, but is that what you want?

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