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Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678267
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Originally Posted by feets


Job 1:

close to burning out on some days.

Job 2:



Situation: Aged late 40s. Single man. No kids. Either job can cover the bills. The house and car can be paid off at any time (investments earning more than paid interest).



These are the two most important things written in your post.

Take job 2. Do some traveling. Enjoy your free time.

There's no honor in dying at your desk.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Orange_Crush] #2678273
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The way the post is written, I doubt anyone would go for job #1. The only "incentive" for putting up with job 1 would be retirement. If #1 has a fat retirement plan and you can stick it out and be done in a few years, the luxury of getting paid for waking up and having all your days to yourself would be strongly worth considering. If the retirement factor is not in play, then job 2 is a no brainer. Besides, when broken down hourly, you get an hourly raise at job #2. The few extra dollars from Job #1 really doesn't matter as we just spend our extra money on women and booze and squander the rest.

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Re: work/life balance [Re: Tom_440] #2678280
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Originally Posted by Tom_440
The way the post is written, I doubt anyone would go for job #1.


I have to wonder if Feets' post is more about wanting validation for a decision he's already made in his own mind.

Nothing wrong with that...I think that's pretty wise.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Orange_Crush] #2678291
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I'd never take a 25% pay cut unless there was no alternative, but my circumstances (wife, 2 kids) are much different than yours.

I will say that one of the best pieces of advice I was ever given is "No amount of money is enough to do a job that you hate."


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Re: work/life balance [Re: not_a_charger] #2678294
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Originally Posted by not_a_charger
I'd never take a 25% pay cut unless there was no alternative, but my circumstances (wife, 2 kids) are much different than yours.

I will say that one of the best pieces of advice I was ever given is "No amount of money is enough to do a job that you hate."


On the flip side, A Senior Professional In Human resources once told me: If one of your employees takes another job for less than 20% more than what you were paying them, that employee was unhappy."

Knowing what I know about Feets, the fact that's he's even considering a 25% pay cut to move to another job tells me he's miserable.

I know that if I was in his position, I probably would stay where I am. I, like you, have a wife and kids.

If I was single, though...There is no way I would stay in a more stressful environment when a far less stressful and time-consuming job would cover my bills.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Orange_Crush] #2678298
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Absolutely I'd recommend Job #2. For only a 25% difference in pay, its a no-brainer. In my opinion, Job #1 would need to pay at least 50% more and be viewed as a short term means to an end for it to even be considered.

Too many people out there have no understanding of what life is really about and equate time in the office and titles with fulfillment. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Orange_Crush] #2678299
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I have a few questions:

25% pay cut. Is that base pay? With either job, are there bonuses or commissions that play into that amount?

25% pay cut, what are the chances of a pay raise compared to the other job?

25% pay cut, how do the benefits compare? 401K? Insurance?

Sounds like you made your decision already, but if you peel back all the layers, you might be losing more than 25%.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Satilite73] #2678309
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As someone who has worked for at least 6 different auto parts depts. I can tell you they are FUBAR, Some just more so than others. And each will be different. I settled for one I could tolerate. Then would move on. I finally retired four years ago and only work part-time now.

Re: work/life balance [Re: Satilite73] #2678346
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Originally Posted by Satilite73

I have a few questions:

25% pay cut. Is that base pay? With either job, are there bonuses or commissions that play into that amount?

25% pay cut, what are the chances of a pay raise compared to the other job?

25% pay cut, how do the benefits compare? 401K? Insurance?

Sounds like you made your decision already, but if you peel back all the layers, you might be losing more than 25%.



25% total compensation.

Chance for advancement but not likely to the same rate of pay in the foreseeable future.

Comparable benefits.


I'm fairly valuable in my industry and many other stores would love to have me based on my performance. In fact, I have a standing offer for a position with an increase in pay (top of the industry) if I move from DFW to San Antonio. However, moving to another store in this area would likely result in a reduction in income. My earnings last year put me in what is likely the top 10% for this area but it's commission so you never know your luck.

I really don't like the work/life balance and in the auto industry you're only as good as your last month. However, you can't do it alone and there's always someone willing to do anything (moral or not) for money. I'm not like that.

I put myself in hot water in the last few months. My manager loved the things I did but it was a real smash to the service director's nose.

You see, I ran down over $143,000 in lost parts department profit for 2018. It was all in parts discounts given by service in the booking office. Those were not parts department approved discounts. Service did not discount their labor. That means in order to satisfy unhappy clients service kept their profit but gave away thousands of dollars of my earned income.
Then, I tracked down hundreds of repair orders that had the names changed after the client paid and left. To keep the unhappy people from blasting the dealership on a survey the service department changed the repair orders to our body shop. That means clients were never notified when special order parts came in. You know, little things like recall airbags that won't blow shrapnel in the driver's face.
I even created new methods of notifying clients when we received parts for their cars.

There have been many other things as well. My boss was VERY happy with these things. My work on the airbag issue alone brought us over $50,000 in (previously abandoned) warranty sales during the month of May and $30,000 in June.

When the boss wants to pay you more but isn't allowed to it's rather annoying. When it comes to my abilities he told me "you don't know how much you know" and I'll take that as praise from a man who has spent over 30 years in the business.

Yeah, it's a bit of a rant.

Hit the right store and you can make some money but it can come at a cost.

I'm going to pursue job 2 above and see what happens. I can't say anything for now but if it happens some of you guys will take interest.

Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678413
07/17/19 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by feets
Originally Posted by Satilite73

I have a few questions:

25% pay cut. Is that base pay? With either job, are there bonuses or commissions that play into that amount?

25% pay cut, what are the chances of a pay raise compared to the other job?

25% pay cut, how do the benefits compare? 401K? Insurance?

Sounds like you made your decision already, but if you peel back all the layers, you might be losing more than 25%.



25% total compensation.

Chance for advancement but not likely to the same rate of pay in the foreseeable future.

Comparable benefits.


I'm fairly valuable in my industry and many other stores would love to have me based on my performance. In fact, I have a standing offer for a position with an increase in pay (top of the industry) if I move from DFW to San Antonio. However, moving to another store in this area would likely result in a reduction in income. My earnings last year put me in what is likely the top 10% for this area but it's commission so you never know your luck.

I really don't like the work/life balance and in the auto industry you're only as good as your last month. However, you can't do it alone and there's always someone willing to do anything (moral or not) for money. I'm not like that.

I put myself in hot water in the last few months. My manager loved the things I did but it was a real smash to the service director's nose.

You see, I ran down over $143,000 in lost parts department profit for 2018. It was all in parts discounts given by service in the booking office. Those were not parts department approved discounts. Service did not discount their labor. That means in order to satisfy unhappy clients service kept their profit but gave away thousands of dollars of my earned income.
Then, I tracked down hundreds of repair orders that had the names changed after the client paid and left. To keep the unhappy people from blasting the dealership on a survey the service department changed the repair orders to our body shop. That means clients were never notified when special order parts came in. You know, little things like recall airbags that won't blow shrapnel in the driver's face.
I even created new methods of notifying clients when we received parts for their cars.

There have been many other things as well. My boss was VERY happy with these things. My work on the airbag issue alone brought us over $50,000 in (previously abandoned) warranty sales during the month of May and $30,000 in June.

When the boss wants to pay you more but isn't allowed to it's rather annoying. When it comes to my abilities he told me "you don't know how much you know" and I'll take that as praise from a man who has spent over 30 years in the business.

Yeah, it's a bit of a rant.
Hit the right store and you can make some money but it can come at a cost.

I'm going to pursue job 2 above and see what happens. I can't say anything for now but if it happens some of you guys will take interest.


OH SNAP!!!! You threw the feces straight into the fan with that. Yeah, you made more enemies than friends with that one. It goes on at most every dealership though, well not changing the names on the repair orders though, but discounting the parts. Our writers cant do that so they have to ask the parts guys to change the prices. It's a simple access thing in the computer system, we use Reynolds&Reynolds UCS system.

But either way if you are single and have no plans to change that then do what makes you happy, some people enjoy making money and high stress environments.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: Guitar Jones] #2678418
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Considering I just did exactly this .
'My vote is Job #2 IN A HEARTBEAT.

Stress is VERY real. And even though its not a popular answer ,,,,,,money is NOT everything.

I cut approx 30-35 % off the top of my annual earnings and in a completely different field . I went from being one of the top Dodge dealer tech for over 25 years to airport airfield maint. / operator .
And I can honestly say its hands down one of the best decisions of my life.
To many years of chasing that warranty rat race took its toll.

Re: work/life balance [Re: gtx6970] #2678419
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There's certainly a reason why I am not chasing money in Dallas or Fort Worth. Work/Life balance is excellent where I am at and I wouldn't trade it for a 25% bump. twocents


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Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678469
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If I had that option I would have taken #2. For me it was either stay with the high stress job, no reward work OT every week and be home and miserable, which in turn made the wife unhappy.

Or stay with the same company take a new position travel 200 days a yr, 32 hr OT a week when I travel . The wife would be happier because she didn't have to hear me complain.

I opted for the traveling position. It will let me retire at 58.5. Yeah its sucked big time. Most of the people I deal with I want to hurt badly, they crooks and liar's. Five more months and yes I'm counting the days.

I'm glad you have more options than I did.

Job satisfaction is important. You don't have to love going to work but you shouldn't dread it.

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I faced that decision many years ago. I took less pay, less hours, and less stress. It was one of the best moves I ever made. 25 years ago, I made another decision, I became self employed. Though the stress level increased, and the hours increased slightly (self employed people really can set the hours they want to work), it was another one of the best decisions I even made.
I've recently retired at 62, that decision was also one of the better choices I've made.

Money is a tool to get things you need, not the goal of a lifetime. At the point that you become content with the things you have, money is no longer as important as it was when you were always perusing more things. Gene

Re: work/life balance [Re: Guitar Jones] #2678489
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Originally Posted by Guitar Jones

OH SNAP!!!! You threw the feces straight into the fan with that. Yeah, you made more enemies than friends with that one. It goes on at most every dealership though, well not changing the names on the repair orders though, but discounting the parts. Our writers cant do that so they have to ask the parts guys to change the prices. It's a simple access thing in the computer system, we use Reynolds&Reynolds UCS system.
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Blue screen Reynolds and Reynolds.
I found discounts using CP10, CP20, and CP30 made in booking. Those are parts discount codes in those percentages. A few phone calls to R&R landed a report that is now run daily to find unapproved discounts. When we discount services to 20% and they throw an additional 30% discount parts goes negative while service makes full profit.

Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678743
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Depending on how bad Job #2 company wants you on their team, you may be able to negotiate some of the benefits. For example, a new employee may start off with 40 hrs per year vacation, working up to a max of 120 hrs per year. With the experience you're going to bring, perhaps they can start you at the top of the vacation scale. I'm not sure what benefits are offered with job 2, but attempt to negotiate along those lines. I'm pulling for you, man. Let us know how it goes...

Re: work/life balance [Re: Twostick] #2678747
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Originally Posted by Twostick
Job #2 gives you back 20 hours+/- a week of your life that you could use to do side jobs that you ENJOY, to make up or exceed the pay cut. Good machinists are hard to find. Ones with Mopar skills included could find themselves busier than they care to be kept.

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To that 20+ hours, you can add another 6-8 hours per week of commute time.

As almost everyone has said, I'd take what's behind door #2... thumbs

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Your probably already on your way out of your current job, you may or may not just know it yet.


Stop making problems for yourself in life.

Try going to work for min. wage in a s_it job then you might realize a sh_t job that pays well isnt so bad.
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Re: work/life balance [Re: FM3AAR] #2678858
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Originally Posted by FM3AAR
Job 2 in a heartbeat.


Absolutely.
I am paying almost $300 a week in gas to work a job 107 miles away, The drive home often takes 3 hours or more. I leave the job in good shape but am beat down and pissed off by the time I pull into the garage here. Screw this. I get home and don't feel like doing anything because of my crappy mood.
I'm so close to reaching my 30, this is the only reason that I am enduring this friggin BS. Life is MORE than money and MORE than work

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I have worked in industry but now have a state job. Industry OWNS you and cares zero about you or your family life. I was single and took a 20% cut 25 yrs ago for state work. This job let me watch my kids grow up and I've worked 5 hours OT in 25 yrs. When in industry I did that at least one day per week and was on SALARY. Now I work 4-10 hr days with every Friday off......and a paid lunch every day.

We get job applicants willing to go from six figures to 50k sometimes.....to get away from the hours and stress.


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