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work/life balance #2678181
07/17/19 08:14 AM
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Would you guys take a lower paying job if it offered a better work/life balance?

Job 1:
10 hour days
one hour (per direction) commute
5-6 days per week
time dedicated to job 60-71 hours per week
higher stress
higher wage
expert in the industry
close to burning out on some days.

Job 2:
8 hour days
20 minute per direction commute
5 days a week
time dedicated to job 43-1/2 hours per week
little to no stress
25% less pay
very nearly expert in the industry.


Situation: Aged late 40s. Single man. No kids. Either job can cover the bills. The house and car can be paid off at any time (investments earning more than paid interest).

Would you guys make the jump and take the pay cut or stick with the higher paying job?

Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678187
07/17/19 08:23 AM
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Job 2 in a heartbeat.

Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678190
07/17/19 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by feets
Situation: Aged late 40s. Single man. No kids. Either job can cover the bills. The house and car can be paid off at any time (investments earning more than paid interest).


Well, you are in a very different situation than a lot of people. As the old Warren Buffett saying goes, "Money is not important. But make sure you earn a lot before speaking such nonsense."

Sounds like either decision you make would be a good one--it's all about your own personal priorities.

The Merle Haggard lyric applies more to my personal situation, "It's a big job just getting by with nine kids and a wife."

Re: work/life balance [Re: wingman] #2678198
07/17/19 08:49 AM
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Stress kills..

Take the job closer to home and live a happier and longer life...


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Re: work/life balance [Re: wingman] #2678199
07/17/19 08:50 AM
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the biggest thing i would consider is how stable the new company is.
we all know the stinky stuff is going to hit the fan in the near future. even now everything auto, car, truck, etc related is already down due to lower sales across the board and the future outlook isn't on a upturn. will they be prepared to survive the downturn? or better will your job being the low man on the pole survive the downturn?
also what will your vacation time and health care insurance cost be at the new place compared to the old place?

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Re: work/life balance [Re: wingman] #2678200
07/17/19 08:53 AM
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what's cookin' now feets ? will this allow more time to deal with your house issues ?
if economic conditions permit, i vote for job #2.
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Re: work/life balance [Re: moparx] #2678201
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Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678204
07/17/19 08:59 AM
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I basically made that leap 20 years ago. Figured I'ld work half as hard but maybe twice as long. And then hoped that I may live longer and enjoy my life and family more. Now 63, and looking back, it was a good decision.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: mopars4ever] #2678205
07/17/19 08:59 AM
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From your posting on here, id think your a #2 type guy.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678207
07/17/19 09:00 AM
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Do some math and see how many years sooner you can retire if you stay with job #1. I chose staying with a high pay, high stress job and retiring sooner. Highly disciplined saving and investing must be a part of the equation of you choose this route.

Re: work/life balance [Re: 70Duster] #2678218
07/17/19 09:33 AM
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Re: work/life balance [Re: 70Duster] #2678221
07/17/19 09:38 AM
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Money is really handy, but time is precious.
Also consider the work environment, the health of the #2 company, and of course whatever you can find out about the people there.
Check out the facility itself; avoid crappy places where you're battling what you have to work with.
Co-workers are a big deal; being surrounded by a few a-holes in secure & influential positions is murder in several ways.

Seems you have a lot of things going on, projects there hasn't been time for, and some time-critical problems with the house.
If the new deal allows sufficient funds to do everything you want & continue to sock some money away, it sure sounds like the direction to take.
If you have a tentative deal, and can discuss your plans with the current place, you might find that they're willing to either step up $$ or be more accommodating so they can keep you.
Some places will be incensed that you'd leave, of course.

There's also some value in a fresh environment, especially if the time/money equation is acceptable.

Re: work/life balance [Re: topside] #2678225
07/17/19 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by topside
Money is really handy, but time is precious.
Also consider the work environment, the health of the #2 company, and of course whatever you can find out about the people there.
Check out the facility itself; avoid crappy places where you're battling what you have to work with.
Co-workers are a big deal; being surrounded by a few a-holes in secure & influential positions is murder in several ways.

Seems you have a lot of things going on, projects there hasn't been time for, and some time-critical problems with the house.
If the new deal allows sufficient funds to do everything you want & continue to sock some money away, it sure sounds like the direction to take.
If you have a tentative deal, and can discuss your plans with the current place, you might find that they're willing to either step up $$ or be more accommodating so they can keep you.
Some places will be incensed that you'd leave, of course.

There's also some value in a fresh environment, especially if the time/money equation is acceptable.


When laying on your death bed....do you think you will say "Gee, if only I could have worked just one more day"....or will you be more regretful of the things in life that you chose to not make time for. I would suspect most people would be more along the lines of "Gee, I wish I had.....(fill in the blank)" and that more than likely will not include working.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: topside] #2678230
07/17/19 09:50 AM
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I would never take job #1 in the first place. Your there so much you might as well plant your mail box in their parking lot.

Re: work/life balance [Re: oldjonny] #2678232
07/17/19 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by oldjonny

When laying on your death bed....do you think you will say "Gee, if only I could have worked just one more day"....or will you be more regretful of the things in life that you chose to not make time for. I would suspect most people would be more along the lines of "Gee, I wish I had.....(fill in the blank)" and that more than likely will not include working.


What he said...
I am in similar situation but don't have the option of Job 2 frown

If I had the opportunity, and was in your situation Feets, would definitely make the jump.

Best of luck !


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Re: work/life balance [Re: topside] #2678246
07/17/19 10:15 AM
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Job #2 gives you back 20 hours+/- a week of your life that you could use to do side jobs that you ENJOY, to make up or exceed the pay cut. Good machinists are hard to find. Ones with Mopar skills included could find themselves busier than they care to be kept.

Or you could finish the Imperial... laugh2

I've been in my current situation for over 17 years and I've really needed to fire them for some time now. Love the job and the people I work with. The management is another story... I tell people it's like getting divorced again except after this long you'd rather avoid it if at all possible. Fear of change I guess but there eventually comes a time one has to choose between bloodshed and handcuffs and moving on. Stress is a killer and I'm on the fast track for another infarction. I know from experience you don't want to go there.

So yeah, Job #2.

Kevin

Re: work/life balance [Re: feets] #2678249
07/17/19 10:19 AM
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If your finances are in the position as yours are, number two is the way to go.

Your employer is going to appreciate you more. Factor in the lower commuter expenses, and being at your house sooner. Driving that extra time and miles increases the odds of being in a crash. Also, if your area is like most- road construction projects on your commute route in the future?

If the finances are good, go be happy and appreciated.


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Re: work/life balance [Re: HoosierTA] #2678257
07/17/19 10:46 AM
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Money is really handy, but time is precious.
You don`t realize how precious time is until it`s gone. Seriously time really passes by so quickly and then you stop and think where did it all go. Be happy.

Re: work/life balance [Re: HoosierTA] #2678259
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Given your circumstances, Job #2 makes a lot of sense. Sounds like the extra time can be spent on hobbies and perhaps outside income.

The only think I would worry about is that job #2 might not be as rewarding and perhaps could become boring for you. Eight hours that feel like sixteen could be worst than ten that fly by.

However this is not a lifetime contract, don't burn any bridges behind you and you will have other options in the future if this one does not work out.

Good luck and let us know what you do.

Re: work/life balance [Re: FM3AAR] #2678266
07/17/19 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by FM3AAR
Job 2 in a heartbeat.


iagree Literally. Stress is hard on your heart. If Job #2 comfortably covers the bills, jump fast, before someone else fills that position. Current job sounds like it makes everything in your life stressful; the drive, the job, lack of time/energy for yourself...sounds like it negatively affects all of it. Good luck with whatever you decide. Let us know...

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