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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678091
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So I was watching Road Kill General Mayham Hellcat transplant edition........And it seems the stock drive train in a B-body is 10.90.....A little slower than I would like...but reliability

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRh5KIVO3CM


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678110
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That was a hasty deal, I'd think there's more in that combo. I'm surprised that they haven't gone back to the strip with it


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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678150
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750 hp (about what it would put out in gross terms with a good tune) and 3800 lbs (guessing the weight) should get you high 9's-10.0's

Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: WO23Coronet] #2678244
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That is where my car shines....If the Hellcrate weighs less than or equal to an Iron block 605 Hemi, I will be under 3300lbs.....My car loved the all aluminum Hemi weight wise until a rod left out the side. I figure the 605 is right around 650-680lbs.....

According to MMX the Hellcrate is 800lbs which is a lot more than I would like if that is correct. The big aluminum Hemi was under 500lbs wet, but when you look at the Hellcrate, its probably about right...with all that stuff on it......

If that is the correct weight, my car will be 3300lbs and then add me in for 3530 or so total....

The Wallace says 9.97 at 135.49 and that would be very acceptable....I can work on it from there...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: DemonDust] #2678736
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Originally Posted by DemonDust
Originally Posted by Dragula
I knew someone would post that...I am looking for some actual feedback....The engines are under $15k, and I never see any in pro-street cars, only resto mods with a stick....


Ron Polidora put one in a 64 Dodge. Beautiful build.


Thanks

I have one in my 64 Dodge 440.
I did use a gerst front suspension. It is a 727 built by John cope. Car went 10.00 with lower only, but it was making just a touch over 11lbs (about factory boost) with the longtubes and free exhaust. With an upper, it has been 9.32 so far. 8's are coming.

Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: RonP] #2678794
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Originally Posted by RonP
Originally Posted by DemonDust
Originally Posted by Dragula
I knew someone would post that...I am looking for some actual feedback....The engines are under $15k, and I never see any in pro-street cars, only resto mods with a stick....


Ron Polidora put one in a 64 Dodge. Beautiful build.


Thanks

I have one in my 64 Dodge 440.
I did use a gerst front suspension. It is a 727 built by John cope. Car went 10.00 with lower only, but it was making just a touch over 11lbs (about factory boost) with the longtubes and free exhaust. With an upper, it has been 9.32 so far. 8's are coming.


9.32.....Wow....What computer are you using, and how did you mount the engine?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678817
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If you want to run a motorplate with a hellcat front cover, we have that program on our waterjet along with the earlier gen3 motorplate patterns. Mike


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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: mr2performance] #2678863
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Mike,

If you could e-mail a picture or two of how it integrates with the timing cover and accessories, and a price...I might take one...That has been the main reason I have not done one yet.

Don't get me wrong, I love the big Hemi, Its puts all your senses to the test just idling by, but reliability has not been its strong suit. I would love to have somthing I could do Drag Week with running mid 9's....


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678867
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Originally Posted by Dragula
Originally Posted by RonP
Originally Posted by DemonDust
Originally Posted by Dragula
I knew someone would post that...I am looking for some actual feedback....The engines are under $15k, and I never see any in pro-street cars, only resto mods with a stick....


Ron Polidora put one in a 64 Dodge. Beautiful build.


Thanks

I have one in my 64 Dodge 440.
I did use a gerst front suspension. It is a 727 built by John cope. Car went 10.00 with lower only, but it was making just a touch over 11lbs (about factory boost) with the longtubes and free exhaust. With an upper, it has been 9.32 so far. 8's are coming.


9.32.....Wow....What computer are you using, and how did you mount the engine?


I am running the Mopar crate kit. So factory PCM that is unlocked and I tune it with HP Tuners. When I had the front end built by Gerst, I had him put 3rd gen mounts on it and he supplied those with kit. Lined up 100% perfect.

Its been a while since I put pics on this site. Can I just add them? or do I have to host them somewhere?

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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: Dragula] #2678880
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Yeah a stock Hellcat can he stepped on pretty hard with pulleys

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If you want to use a motorplate we do have them ready to go with tensioners and idlers mounts. This can be utilized with 5.7, 6.1, 6.4, and we also have one for hellcat and demon, yes they are different.

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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: DemonDust] #2679102
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Mike,


That looks like it would work for me. I typically run the 1-wire chevy 100amp setup on my plate....But my 35gph water pump this year has not been enough on the hot days in traffic thanks to my iron Siamese block.

What alternator are you running with that setup...Looks like you have it on the drivers side.Do you use a serp on the Alternator of V-belt? Is the elcetric water pump enough to cool it on the street? My goal would be Drag Week 2020...

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'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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The alternator was spec'd by Jeff Sandlin, I can get you specs if necessary. It runs off the factory hellcat/demon accessory pulley using a serpentine belt. This is also hopefully a drag week build. Not sure if it will be enough to cool it or not. Will find out in a month.

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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: DemonDust] #2679117
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Really awesome...Strut front end....Nice!

The 100-140A work best for me on the street. I can't get away with a 60A anymore. Where did the hook up wire on the alternator end up? Mines on the back, so any position its in works.....Some are on the sides and end up in a bad spot.

If that is a Chevy water pump Meizere makes a billet mechanical version, although I bet the studs only go as deep as the plate and that would probably be a bad idea...


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Originally Posted by Dragula
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Also looking for real world swap details. How much fab do you need to do to fit one in a 70 e body? Best trans to use? ETs in an old muscle car? Thanks


From the pics I have collected, they look small in the engine bay. B & E body's have the same engine bay essentially and a G3 looks tiny in there....

My transmission plan is currently to run my billet drum 727 and my convertor from the 605 Hemi......If I can get the Hellcrate up 100hp, they will be in the same ballpark. But I did see an entire Hellcat drive train with the 8 speed trans and full wiring harness for sale on Racing Junk...I really never looked into the Nag 8 speeds to see of they fit. I would have to change gears in the Dana if I went that route...


Negative on the use of your 727. G3 hemis are a small block bell housing bolt pattern.


Negative on your negativity....Look up JW Ultra Bell, I have two, one for a big block, and one for a small block...It bolts on to the trans and is easily switched. Best thing that ever happened to a Mopar other than efi




Real easy to swap all the parts into a SB 727 case anyhow


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Literally, you can leave the trans in the car with the engine out, pull the convertor, swap the bell, re-install the convertor and switch engines....Ended up pulling the Hemi one year, and dropping a W2 motor in I had ready to go....Works like a charm and well worth the cost.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Originally Posted by Dragula
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Also looking for real world swap details. How much fab do you need to do to fit one in a 70 e body? Best trans to use? ETs in an old muscle car? Thanks


From the pics I have collected, they look small in the engine bay. B & E body's have the same engine bay essentially and a G3 looks tiny in there....

My transmission plan is currently to run my billet drum 727 and my convertor from the 605 Hemi......If I can get the Hellcrate up 100hp, they will be in the same ballpark. But I did see an entire Hellcat drive train with the 8 speed trans and full wiring harness for sale on Racing Junk...I really never looked into the Nag 8 speeds to see of they fit. I would have to change gears in the Dana if I went that route...


Negative on the use of your 727. G3 hemis are a small block bell housing bolt pattern.


Negative on your negativity....Look up JW Ultra Bell, I have two, one for a big block, and one for a small block...It bolts on to the trans and is easily switched. Best thing that ever happened to a Mopar other than efi


Positively! I was thinking of OEM cases.

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Re: Who has done a Pro-Street Hellcat Crate deal? [Re: DemonDust] #2681548
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Originally Posted by DemonDust

The alternator was spec'd by Jeff Sandlin, I can get you specs if necessary. It runs off the factory hellcat/demon accessory pulley using a serpentine belt. This is also hopefully a drag week build. Not sure if it will be enough to cool it or not. Will find out in a month.

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Can you send me a rough cost for a plate for a Hellcat? dragula426@gmail.com is my e-mail. Include whatever pulleys and idlers are required and any new pics as yours gets closer. My other option is to switch out my Magnum Force front end for their newer one with the mounts on it.

I have not gotten any solid hits on my big 605 Hemi for sale, so I replaced the valve springs on it and ported the intake a bit further and its going back in the car next week, but I want to switch to Hellkitty power down the road. At a minimum, I want to buy one of those crate motors this winter and hide it away until this big Hemi sells or it lets go.....Or maybe they start making blocks again.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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Any updates with all the pulleys and stuff installed?


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
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