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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: Mopar_Country] #715774
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It is recommended not to exceed .495 lift with stock valve train. Make sure the springs you use are compatible, comp 901 should be good. Like scratchn said, the clearance between guide and retainer is crucial, don't use the rotators. Check those 302 castings, they can be prone to cracking in the valve area.




I always used stock valve train with the 557/528 crane, never had any problems at all.

Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: kenworth_goose] #715775
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That wasnt with stock pistons though, was it?


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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: 440Satellite] #715776
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Yes, stock pistons, even ran the same cam setup in a stock 360 as well. Never hit anything. Ran very good as well. I blew a 68 camaro with a 375hp 396 with the 318. He was a friend of mine. The whole town watched it happen. Well not in the ditch but I beat him by a fender. We both had 4 speeds, he had 3.55's and I had 3.91's. Those were the days.

Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: 440Satellite] #715777
06/04/10 11:21 PM
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Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: kenworth_goose] #715778
06/06/10 09:19 AM
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Thanks, if thats the case I quess I'll be ok with .491 lift!!!


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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: 440Satellite] #715779
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Unless you have the valve stem height set properly by a qualified machine shop I would over rev it, not more than 5500, and even at that I wouldn't keep it there long.

Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: Mopar_Country] #715780
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I'd use the crane cam. I think the XE274 is going to be a little too big, and will be soft on the bottom, and have some surge issues at part throttle cruise. you'll be fine with V/P clearance. cam duration plays a large part in V/P clearance, as the valve is held open further, longer, as the piston is coming up in the bore.


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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: patrick] #2671959
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I'm not going to try to address the issues of how much low-end torque which cam may or may not have.

In my experience, that can vary significantly with the headers, intake, ignition curve, static compression... ...and that's not taking into account other factors, such as vehicle weight, gears, etc.

A first-generation a body, with a stick and 4.56 gears would certainly not suffer greatly with extra duration, compared to a fully optioned b body with an automatic... that's another story, isn't it?

Anyway, this discussion is really just about what will fit in the engine and not get damaged. For years, my modus operandi was to start at the bottom of the page of the cam catalog, and work my way up until I found something I could assemble in the engine without crashing parts together. whistling


The Harley-Davidson guys can generally see what the TDC lift figure is on a lot of grinds in advertised literature. I don't think that's commonly published by automotive cam grinders, however, if you were to contact the manufacturer, I'm sure they could furnish that information

Of course, this will also be affected by who are the cam is installed. Change the center line, and you will either add intake clearance and remove exhaust clearance, or vice versa. Depending which way you move the cam.

Since the OP was talking about porting some heads, it would be simple enough to assemble with checking springs, put the head over a cylinder with the piston @ TDC, and see how much lift his engine will take @ top dead center. And, it would not be a bad idea to repeat that measurement at 10 degrees before and after.

I strongly favor making a measurement like this, as opposed to relying on anecdotal evidence as to what may or may not "fit".

Then with data suppliedfrom the manufacturer of the camshaft, it should be pretty easy to know if something is going to be able to assemble safely or not.

Just remember, what may work @ a given RPM range may not be kosher at a higher engine speed. I have made some offerings to the gods of speed to learn this lesson...

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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: thecarfarmer] #2672049
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I used the Mopar Performance P4120231AE Purple Camshaft Kits in my 318 when I was a kid. Ran pretty good from what I remember. I think the lift was around .484

Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: mopars4ever] #2672070
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Nine years and 21 days later.........

Wonder why this one resurrected?


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Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: HemiSportFury] #2672261
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??? I was thinking the same thing after re reading ALL of it again..

Re: Most valve lift on stock 318? [Re: scratchnfotraction] #2675055
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Up too late; must've not realized I was comitting thread necro...

Hopefully the OP has already figured it out!


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