Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/03/19 04:34 PM
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Welcome here. Alot of folks recommend the holley street demon carb. On ign there are lots or pros/cons with MSD. Myself I like an OE 70's dist (& rework the curves & more) with an HEI module & an E coil. EDIT with further checking the RPM is a square bore & the Demon is a spreadbore but there is an adapter but another carb might be better, hang loose others will advize
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/03/19 06:59 PM
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There is a complete MSD setup for RB motors for sale in the engine section. Digital 6AL box, pro billet distributor and coil. Seemed like a deal. I'm a fan of their distributors as it's stupid easy to change the timing curve.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/03/19 11:24 PM
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On your deal using the good heads and intake you have there is no way I would put a small CFM carb., less than 750 CFM on it to choke it down ![tsk tsk](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/tsk.gif) I have play with, built and race BB Mopars since the early 1970s, every BB that is a RB motors liked bigger carbs, 850 to six pack to a tunnel ram with dual 750 CFM and so on Your right foot controls how much air goes through the motor at anything less than wide open throttle , correct The carb. size controls how much air and fuel goes through the motor at wide open throttle Take a look at Quick fuel, Holley as well as the other carb makers out there ![scope scope](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/scope.gif) Not just Edelbrock I and a lot others on here have had excellent results using the Holley 950 HP carbs. ![scope scope](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/scope.gif) Little carb, little power, big carb, big power ![grin grin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/grin.gif) ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif)
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: Cab_Burge]
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07/04/19 08:27 AM
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Cab is correct, your 440 needs at least an 850 carb. If you're going to run a 650, you better run two of them.
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Re: 440 engine help
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07/04/19 01:08 PM
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Welcome to Moparts, before you pick a cam, it would be best to decide on headers or manifolds, the cams would be way different between the two.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/04/19 03:35 PM
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I bought the Extreme Energy Comp cam. Would headers he the best way to go? Thank you all very much. that cam is better for headers, an xe 274 maybe even a little larger ground on a 112-114 lsa would be good for stock exh manifolds for your application, IMOP.
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1968 Charger COLD A/C Hilborn EFI 512ci 9.7 compression, Stealth heads, 4.10 gear A518 ODtrans 4100lb,10.93 full street car trim 2020 T/A 392 Stock 11.79 @ 114.5
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Re: 440 engine help
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07/04/19 06:20 PM
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Man, I must have read another thread? From what the poster says, he is doing not much more than a stock 440 hp motor. He has a little cam, a dual plane Performer intake, not the rpm. He does not know his compression ratio yet, but if he had bought some 5-600 dollar pistons, he would probably know about it and what the comp ratio is supposed to be. He has good heads and rockers and was probably going to use manifolds and you guys really think he needs an 850 or 950 to feed maybe 400 horses? Sounds like a recipe for a slug to me, but, hey, I am just reading what HE says he already HAS and is going to use.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/04/19 09:41 PM
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Do you know what 400 HP feels like in a car that is traction limited If not you may be pleasantly surprised ![grin grin](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/grin.gif)
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/04/19 09:45 PM
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Lee446
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Exile, don't get upset, this is just the nature of forums and different opinions. What your actual compression is is critical to making these decisions . You have picked a cam and intake that will make for a high torque street engine. You have very good heads that would be even better with more cam, a Performer rpm intake, 1-7/8" headers and then an 850 carb might be warranted. You really have not stated your goals for this build which makes it hard to make recomendations. When I made the remark about a slug, the engine won't likely be, but with an 850 double pumper on such a mild combo I believe you would be seriously overcarbed which would lead to poor drivability, throttle response and fuel mileage if that counts. I stand by my carb recommendation as your build stands right now. Also, what converter and gear ratio are you planning on running as they all have to work together.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/05/19 01:18 AM
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The easy way to find out exactly which ratio gears you have is to jack the car up on jack stands and mark the tire or wheel to the brake backing plates and mark the driveshaft and either the transmission tail shaft housing or the rear end center section so you can count the drive shaft revolutions for one complete tire rotation ![scope scope](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/scope.gif) If the driveshaft goes around almost 3 complete revolutions it has 2.92 ratio for one complete tire rotation, if it goes around 3 1/4 it has 3.23, if 3 1/2 it has 3.55, if 3 3/4 it has 3.73, if almost 4 revoltuions it has 3.91 and if it rotates 4 1/10 it has 4.10 and so on ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif) IHTHs
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Re: 440 engine help
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07/06/19 10:56 AM
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MSD ignitions are nice but if most of your driving is 5500 rpm or less factory dist reworked, a good box and go. As for carb, for mostly street use a 650 AVS Edelbrock will work perfect, have customer 68 RR 440 dynoed at 580 hp, 4sp, 3:55 gears, pulls real nice to 6000 and is good on fuel. 580 w/ a 650 eddy? BULLLLLLLLLL SHEEEEEET maybe 2 of them.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
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07/07/19 09:10 PM
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The thing that concerns me is that I've seen in the last five years or so ALL the master rebuild kits come with the low compression pistons no matter what year kit you order. So you have to order pistons from a manufacturer that has different options for CR.
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: exile5700]
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07/10/19 08:34 PM
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I checked my rear end. It is limited slip, 3.23, has 741 on the case as well as an x. Will this be ok with the 440? Heck yes, I put hundreds of laps on a stock early production 741 Posi unit(clutch type) with 3.91 gears in my 1969 Dart GTS 4 speed car with a 440 motor and 727 that ran low 11.s(11.17 best at 122+ MPH with slicks for hundreds of runs and some street duty. I sold that car in 2002 to a friend after I put a 383 back in it with a 4 speed, he broke the rear U joint the 2nd day he had it doing burn outs and never hurt the rear with a set of BFG 275x60x15 drag radials on the car ![shruggy shruggy](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/shruggy.gif) I bought the car back in 2008 and have driven it for several hundreds mile since then with no issues at all ![up up](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/thumbs_up.gif) You'll break a "489" case third member before breaking a "741" case with the same ratio and type of posi with the same driver and same driving conditions ![work work](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/custom/work.gif)
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Re: 440 engine help
[Re: Ramtough]
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07/12/19 12:20 PM
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MSD ignitions are nice but if most of your driving is 5500 rpm or less factory dist reworked, a good box and go. As for carb, for mostly street use a 650 AVS Edelbrock will work perfect, have customer 68 RR 440 dynoed at 580 hp, 4sp, 3:55 gears, pulls real nice to 6000 and is good on fuel. At one time I used a mopar electronic distributor on my RB motors and ran it to 7200 without fail, I did use a MSD box though.
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Have a great day Iowan
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