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Suggestions for 440 cam #2670771
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Just wondering what you guys would suggest is the best cam for my 440. Engine has 9.6-9.7 compression (I couldn't get a real good number of CC on the valve reliefs--so this is my best estimate), both engine block and heads were cut 0.020", it has cast iron "346" heads, stock magnum exhaust manifolds, stock intake manifold, 4 speed transmission and 3.91 rear gears. I do not plan on racing the car just want it to have good pick up, do a nice burnout and run good so I can drive it to shows. The car is driver quality and not a show car. Thanks in advance.


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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: LimelightCuda] #2670790
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On your deal with the 4 speed I would put a nice sounding and running cam in it, do you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter, a solid flat tappet or a hydraulic or solid roller lifter cam?
If you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter I would use either the Comp Cams XE284H grind or the little bigger XE285HL or the smaller XE275 HL grind twocents I would install them all at or near 3 to 5 degrees advanced (nearer T.D.C.) on the intake lobe centers also up
You need to know I'm a drag racer and I always want to beat all the street cars guy, not a show and shine guy devil work


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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: Cab_Burge] #2670823
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Thanks a lot! I will definitely look into those cams. Much appreciated.

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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: Cab_Burge] #2670979
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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
On your deal with the 4 speed I would put a nice sounding and running cam in it, do you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter, a solid flat tappet or a hydraulic or solid roller lifter cam?
If you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter I would use either the Comp Cams XE284H grind or the little bigger XE285HL or the smaller XE275 HL grind twocents I would install them all at or near 3 to 5 degrees advanced (nearer T.D.C.) on the intake lobe centers also up
You need to know I'm a drag racer and I always want to beat all the street cars guy, not a show and shine guy devil work


Cab are you comfortable with a flat tappet cam in 2019? I will be doing a future 360 and am conflicted because SOOOOO many competent guys here on moparts and across the brand spectrum have had terrible experiences with them. I priced a roller set up and it comes in around $1000-$1200 to convert. I have a brand new Engle flat tappet cam made in 2002 but dont know yet if I will go that route.


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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: LimelightCuda] #2670983
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I like the idea of a little more cam because you have a 4 spd and a 3.91. But your stock intake is such a bottle neck that the potential gain of the bigger cam might not yield its full benefit. I'd definitely go with a 230° @ 0.050" cam (hydraulic) or a 236° solid flat tapper if you just put an aftermarket intake on it.

If you're staying with the factory intake, consider maybe something in the 222° to 226° @ 0.050". I'd probably go with a less aggressive lobe design just to go easy on the valve train. Engle, Hughes, Crower all have something that will work for you.

Either way, considering that it is an exhaust manifold car too, spread the LSA out a bit to keep the overlap down.

At the end of the day, a 440/4 spd/3.91 will be a boat load of fun no matter what reasonable cam you put in it.

Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: LimelightCuda] #2670991
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(I couldn't get a real good number of CC on the valve reliefs--so this is my best estimate),
On a side note you can fill in the valve reliefs flush with clay then roll em up into a rope or ball(s) in your palms then drop it into a partly filled burette & see how many CC's it rises


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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: RapidRobert] #2671002
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Go with a mopar 509 cam. It'll be a fun cam with the 3.91s. I wouldn't obsess over the intake but a used CH4B or Weiand Action Plus would be fine for the street. At that HP level the exhaust manifolds are fine too.

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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: Montclaire] #2671479
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Originally Posted by Montclaire
Go with a mopar 509 cam. It'll be a fun cam with the 3.91s. I wouldn't obsess over the intake but a used CH4B or Weiand Action Plus would be fine for the street. At that HP level the exhaust manifolds are fine too.


worst cam choice for his supplication. I'd try a Mopar 528 solid. It will run great with what you have, however there are dozens of newer grinds that would work well.


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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: 2boltmain] #2671491
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If you have a new set of solids lifters bought from Engle made back when you bought that Engle cam I wouldn't hesitate to use it up Make sure and use a zinc additive or a high zinc content break in oil also up


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
On your deal with the 4 speed I would put a nice sounding and running cam in it, do you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter, a solid flat tappet or a hydraulic or solid roller lifter cam?
If you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter I would use either the Comp Cams XE284H grind or the little bigger XE285HL or the smaller XE275 HL grind twocents I would install them all at or near 3 to 5 degrees advanced (nearer T.D.C.) on the intake lobe centers also up
You need to know I'm a drag racer and I always want to beat all the street cars guy, not a show and shine guy devil work


Cab are you comfortable with a flat tappet cam in 2019? I will be doing a future 360 and am conflicted because SOOOOO many competent guys here on moparts and across the brand spectrum have had terrible experiences with them. I priced a roller set up and it comes in around $1000-$1200 to convert. I have a brand new Engle flat tappet cam made in 2002 but dont know yet if I will go that route.
the engle cam is ok but if you have 2002 hydraulic tappets (Stanadyne, worst tappet ever made!) just throw them away. the solid tappets back then were Stanadyne too, not good, but useable. if it's hydraulic just get some comp cams tappets and run it.

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Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: lewtot184] #2671809
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Originally Posted by lewtot184
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
On your deal with the 4 speed I would put a nice sounding and running cam in it, do you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter, a solid flat tappet or a hydraulic or solid roller lifter cam?
If you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter I would use either the Comp Cams XE284H grind or the little bigger XE285HL or the smaller XE275 HL grind twocents I would install them all at or near 3 to 5 degrees advanced (nearer T.D.C.) on the intake lobe centers also up
You need to know I'm a drag racer and I always want to beat all the street cars guy, not a show and shine guy devil work


Cab are you comfortable with a flat tappet cam in 2019? I will be doing a future 360 and am conflicted because SOOOOO many competent guys here on moparts and across the brand spectrum have had terrible experiences with them. I priced a roller set up and it comes in around $1000-$1200 to convert. I have a brand new Engle flat tappet cam made in 2002 but dont know yet if I will go that route.
the engle cam is ok but if you have 2002 hydraulic tappets (Stanadyne, worst tappet ever made!) just throw them away. the solid tappets back then were Stanadyne too, not good, but useable. if it's hydraulic just get some comp cams tappets and run it.



I only have the Engle camshaft new made in 2002. No lifters. Wish I had bought lifters at the time as well. Thanks for the advice.


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
On your deal with the 4 speed I would put a nice sounding and running cam in it, do you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter, a solid flat tappet or a hydraulic or solid roller lifter cam?
If you want a hydraulic flat tappet lifter I would use either the Comp Cams XE284H grind or the little bigger XE285HL or the smaller XE275 HL grind twocents I would install them all at or near 3 to 5 degrees advanced (nearer T.D.C.) on the intake lobe centers also up
You need to know I'm a drag racer and I always want to beat all the street cars guy, not a show and shine guy devil work


Cab are you comfortable with a flat tappet cam in 2019? I will be doing a future 360 and am conflicted because SOOOOO many competent guys here on moparts and across the brand spectrum have had terrible experiences with them. I priced a roller set up and it comes in around $1000-$1200 to convert. I have a brand new Engle flat tappet cam made in 2002 but dont know yet if I will go that route.
the engle cam is ok but if you have 2002 hydraulic tappets (Stanadyne, worst tappet ever made!) just throw them away. the solid tappets back then were Stanadyne too, not good, but useable. if it's hydraulic just get some comp cams tappets and run it.



I only have the Engle camshaft new made in 2002. No lifters. Wish I had bought lifters at the time as well. Thanks for the advice.
all the hydraulic tappets in 2002 were crap, even engles. went thru it, even with engles. be thankul you didn't waste the money or time on them.

Re: Suggestions for 440 cam [Re: lewtot184] #2671901
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Get the Johnson style lifters with the oiling hole in the lifter face that helps lube the cam; I'v used 'em on 3 different FT motors, work great, cams still fine many years later.
Obviously good oil with sufficient zinc too.
Good healthy street 440 cam is an Engle with 224/234 @ .050 & .470/.504 lobes, 110 CL.
Good manners & ran well in 10:1 440 with Eddy heads, maxie cast manifolds, 4-speed 3.55 & fairly tall tires in an early B wagon. Had a 750 Holley on Performer RPM intake.

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I've heard that Comp's "Thumpr" series can work fairly well. I have not run one myself in anything. But, the word from respectable people was that it's a fairly good product line.

They tend to be a bit long on duration, and ground on a slightly narrower lobe center than most. This allows the intake to close at a slightly earlier point, which tends to require a little less compression ratio. but, they still have reasonably good breathing potential, due to the extra duration.

Just a possibility to keep in mind


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Originally Posted by thecarfarmer
I've heard that Comp's "Thumpr" series can work fairly well. I have not run one myself in anything. But, the word from respectable people was that it's a fairly good product line.

They tend to be a bit long on duration, and ground on a slightly narrower lobe center than most. This allows the intake to close at a slightly earlier point, which tends to require a little less compression ratio. but, they still have reasonably good breathing potential, due to the extra duration.

Just a possibility to keep in mind


Gentler ramps, easier on parts, won't make a bunch of noise. Seems like a good choice too.







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