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572 milestone #2671063
06/28/19 11:07 AM
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I got the Shortblock together last night, not another mockup but ready to run this time.

Went together almost the same as anything else.

I did a quick phone video on how to install spirolox.
If anyone has trouble it might come in handy later.

Notes:
Dorman 555-012 expansion plug fits the oil pickup hole.
I also put a metal plate+rtv over it and locktited the 2x 1/4-20s...
Overkill...I don't want an internal air leak or to lose the plug.

I'm now In a relationship with
My Tapered ring compressor-where have you been all my life. Love it....so smooth.....
But it did interfere with the head dowel pin near #1. Either a tiny notch
In the tool or pull the dowel....otherwise the compressor wouldn't line up
With the hole. I caught it before I damaged any rings. Once that was solved,
It sure worked slick.

Since I will start out with super comps, the goofy cross studs won't have
Interference problems there. But, the front left stud hits the oil pump.
Replaced with an arp bolt with sealer, torqued to 45, done.

.023 rod side clearance, .0032 rods, .0033 to .0034 mains, .0075 piston to wall, .024 and .026
On the rings..it's loose, it's deliberate..... oil rails verified .015, .005 end play, second cam in at 107,
Ended up with a smaller cam than before. Still need to do the cam end play thing.

This is a real bucket list item for me. Other things started happening
In that vein which I posted about in general area. Fun stuff.

Second victor head is coming direct from Edelbrock.

That's about it for now I guess



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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671068
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Great job. Make sure you test fit your oil pump drive


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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: 572 milestone [Re: pittsburghracer] #2671073
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Oh and that’s about how far along I was when I found out my Keith Black block needed clearance grinding for my pushrods. That was a major setback.


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5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
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9.42@138.27

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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671074
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Geez that looks familiar scope

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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671144
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Looks Great! Rich, I hope sometime soon I can be at that point. definitely taking notes of your build.

Re: 572 milestone [Re: DUSTER_340] #2671268
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Tapered ring compressors are life changing. I also had to file a semi-round divot on the outside to clear the dowel. Everything looks great!


Jim

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Nice job!!

What are the new cam specs?


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671329
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Looking good !
I know what you mean by bucket list item. Mine was /is for me too.

Mark



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Re: 572 milestone [Re: fast68plymouth] #2671332
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Thanks all, I'm pretty stoked to say the least.

Dwayne,
I will need your help choosing spring pressure specs for this beast. I think I know what I want but
I'd really like to hear it from you to see if I'm far off.
The new cam is a Crane .400 Street Roller.
It's 262/266, .640/.620 gross on a 112 with my rocker combo, installed at 107ICL.
I was going to run .020 lash as they specify.
This seems like it should have nice street manners?
Amazingly Crane had it sitting there on the shelf, 2 day ground delivery....the polar opposite of
Comps current BBM business plan you had mentioned. The package was dated April of '19 IIRC.

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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671338
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Wow that's sweet ! up Ron

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Which ring compressor did you use ? Been looking for awhile . Gary

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Originally Posted by Gabby63
Which ring compressor did you use ? Been looking for awhile . Gary


Gary,
Summit PN 904500. Need to order yours per the bore size, so a search
Criteria of "X.000" (<---bore dimension) ring compressor" brings up
What's out there. What are you working on?
Rich


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: Gabby63] #2671470
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Originally Posted by Gabby63
Which ring compressor did you use ? Been looking for awhile . Gary

I just saw that a racer on another forum had a bad experience with a Proform compressor, it was out of round and causing him problems.

He switched to an ARP and no issues.

I have also used and ARP in the past with out problems.

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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671500
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What kind of rocker gear are you using on those heads? A friend of mine is building a similar 572 with those heads and had a lot of issues getting rockers that were correct. Jim.


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: Bigcube] #2671508
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Originally Posted by Bigcube
Tapered ring compressors are life changing. I also had to file a semi-round divot on the outside to clear the dowel.
iagree
I've bought some of the Summit brand along with other brands for bore sizes that Summit doesn't offer up
Way better than any other ring compressors I've used up scope Not cheap though whiney shruggy


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: BANDIT] #2671599
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Originally Posted by BANDIT
What kind of rocker gear are you using on those heads? A friend of mine is building a similar 572 with those heads and had a lot of issues getting rockers that were correct. Jim.


Victor hemi? T&D is the unlimited budget option and your very best choice.
Want the best, there you go...pay up! I got the guided tour of them from a local
Horsepower God and they are great. Am I using them, no.

I need to put that 3 grand into the rest of the car instead, so I'm staying a little
Closer to stock.

For reasons I understand maybe better than most, it's never seemed fashionable
To say anything nice about Mopar Performance, but out of the ones I've tried the
MP rockers fit the best. That said, I'm going to make Indy products work
On the intake side and will use MP On the exhaust. After working with these
I see why the roller intake is very helpful.


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: ZIPPY] #2671782
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I have an Indy Max block 4.375 , nothing special . Have been using my old crank down spring sleeve . Time to upgrade . Thanks for the info . Gary

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It is good to see it coming together Zippy, looking forward to seeing it make hot water.



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Re: 572 milestone [Re: Gabby63] #2671857
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Originally Posted by Gabby63
I have an Indy Max block 4.375 , nothing special . Have been using my old crank down spring sleeve . Time to upgrade . Thanks for the info . Gary


Very cool, good luck with your build. Aluminum still seems really exotic to me, in spite of them being out for many
years. I started with the spring sleeve compressor too but the chamfers are almost non-existent on this one, and it
Just wasn't working too well. The old tool still works okay on stock blocks where they hogged out a .060 wide
Chamfer at the top πŸ˜‚ take care
Rich


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Re: 572 milestone [Re: Just-a-dart] #2671860
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Originally Posted by Just-a-dart
It is good to see it coming together Zippy, looking forward to seeing it make hot water.


Thanks. It's an expensive hot water heater πŸ˜…


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