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Re: As the 75th anniversay of June 6, 1944 approaches [Re: DirectSubjection] #2662918
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Originally Posted by DirectSubjection
Among the 200 parachutist that dropped into Normandy today was one special one, dropping for the second time bow

https://time.com/5601223/d-day-veteran-97-parachutes-normandy/


That is total awesome and amazing

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WOW!Thanks for sharing the pics and the reminder of this day.Thank god for all that stormed the beach we owe them for all they did and overcame.I saw some of the memorial service on tv this am it was very moving and emotional.


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A side note for those ever fortunate to visit Normandy, There are many D Day related museums worth visiting. I personally am the type that has to read EVERY written description of an exhibit. Since all the museums are from a particular service branch/nation/group etc, it's kinda humorous how they all basically subtlety suggest their group won the war, and all the other guys just "helped". laugh2.


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Now that the 75th Memorial is almost finished, I got to comment on one observation that just came to me today..

We have seen on TV ( and in person myself) rows and rows of pristine white burial crosses, from nearly every angle, to the tune of over 9,000 at Omaha Beach.

To my eye, not ONE, is out of line,from any angle, or leaning, or rust stained, or anything, they are perfectly spaced, they are perfect.

The effort and dedication to accomplish that for something placed in the earth, for eternity, is enormous.

My hats off to the never mentioned or noted grounds crew.. up


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Originally Posted by jcc
Now that the 75th Memorial is almost finished, I got to comment on one observation that just came to me today..

We have sen on TV ( and in person myself) rows and rows of pristine white burial crosses, from nearly every angle, to the tune of over 9,000 at Omaha Beach.

To my eye, not ONE, is out of line,from any angle, or leaning, or rust stained, or anything, they are perfectly spaced, they are perfect.

The effort and dedication to accomplish that for something placed in the earth, for eternity, is enormous.

My hats off to the never mentioned or noted grounds crew.. up



I believe they were secured in place upon installation so they would always stand straight - concreted or something like that, not just dug into dirt. Google search shows nothing about their installation tho

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I 've concreted all my mailboxes over the years, they would never hire me at Omaha. biggrin


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My father has his name on the Queens Own Rifles Monument in Europe. Spent just over a year in Canadian Airforce RCAF from 1940 to 1942 and spent from 1942 to 1946 in the Queens Own Rifles for Canada.in Europe. He told me he admired the Americans for such a landing at Omaha. You have to go and take a look to see just what they accomplished in the landing but the casualties were high at just under 2500. Juno beach were the Queen Own Rifle oi Canada landed had 50% Casualties in the first waves. A lot of young men never made it off the beaches and gave for our Freedom that day. My Nephew that is a Royal Canadian Mounted Police Officer was chosen to go over to Europe on D Day to guard some Diplomats, likely because of his Grandfather, my father being a WW11 Vet. He sent back some awesome pictures and the picture of his Grandfathers name on the monument. It is hard to believe that is has been 75 years.


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Follow up : That's All, Brother - the plane that led the air assault on Normandy - returns for the 75th anniversary. Watch it fly over the cemetery and Point Du Hoc carrying active air force members who helped arrange this whole event - powerful!!!


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Awesome !!! Thanks for the info and video. up Ron

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So what was the usefulness/purpose of the bold top of the wing markings on the c47s?


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They were all around most if not all the planes used during the D-Day invasion to minimize friendly fire accidents.

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Seems like a counterproductive reason IMO, we weren't shooting at many planes during the invasion, especially slow moving transports in the dark, from above and below, but the defenders sure were.


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Not knowing the full extent of expected Luftwaffe opposition during, as well as after, the initial landings, it may have been one of those decisions that couldn't hurt, but could certainly help, with easy recognition. With so many green Allied troops not necessarily familiar with aircraft ID and the stress of war, "trigger happy" reactions could have been a concern.

We all know how important reaction times are. In this case, it's shoot or don't shoot.

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& a troop transport would've wanted as much info "friend or foe" as soon as possible in regard to a fighter seen in their vicinity (evade or continue on course)

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All Good points, but the Transport drops were the very first incursion after midnight, in mass, and suprise was the neame of the game, way behind the beaches, I don't think there was fighter support, surprise and all, until the 6L00am landings. Just seems to me to make a big bulls eye on the Transports for German AA .


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Had a few empty boxes still on my bucket check off list.
One was finally seeing the USAF Museum at Wright Patterson in Dayton..
I have luckily seen a number of other prestigious Aircraft museums, but not this one.
On my trip to Carlisle from Florida last week, figured no point in putting off a visit any longer.
Spent two entire days, and didn't see half of it. shock
It really deserves its own OT thread to discuss.
What is pertinent here, are the two attached Pics in the WW2 era display.
The verbiage doesn't answer all my questions, but being the source, hard to dispute.

100_0093 D day stripes.JPG100_0092 hasty stripes.JPG

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Originally Posted by jcc
All Good points, but the Transport drops were the very first incursion after midnight, in mass, and suprise was the neame of the game, way behind the beaches, I don't think there was fighter support, surprise and all, until the 6L00am landings. Just seems to me to make a big bulls eye on the Transports for German AA .



In the battle of Sicily the US anti-aircraft gunners shot at and shot down many of our own planes as they came in at night in the C-47 transport planes and our men did not identify them correctly and fired on them. It was a very bad friendly fire happening so the Allies wanted to be very sure of no friendly fire shooting down our own planes. All the planes in the D-Day invasion (bombers , fighters and transports) had the invasion stripes painted on them. Ron

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Originally Posted by RWG75
Originally Posted by Morty426

I have also read a couple books from the German perspective, They were completely thunderstruck. They did not understand how we could be so mechanized. The books are very good reads.


That's the thing that always most impressed me about WWII and likely the thing that the germans and japanese didn't imagine in their wildest dreams. The amount of industrial output for the war is just staggering.



Yes the Axis nations were awestruck later in the war when they realized the amazing amount of war materials the US built. It was truly and amazing feat that was almost unbelievable. I mean the most planes built by an Axis nation was Germany who built about 158,000 planes in over 6 years. The US did not start in war production until around mid 1942 and yet we built 300,000 planes !! The only Axis nation to build aircraft carries was Japan who built somewhere around 20 during the war. The US built around 138 carries of all sizes and even gave around 34 to Great Britian. At wars end the Japanese had about 5 carries left and the US had 99 carries in service ! I mean everything the US built in unbelievable numbers from shoes and uniforms to almost 50,000 Sherman tanks. The US not only supplied ourselfs but we supplied most Allied nations with much war material. We gave Great Britian over 17,000 Sherman tanks under lendlease. Plus we gave the USSR over 4,000 tanks and many planes along with tons of food and communication equipment for their army. And while building more war equipment then anyone could believe we also built our military from 1.5 million to over 12 million by 1945. That's one reason I love learning about WWII as its just so astounishing in the things the US work force did along with our military who gave their lives to liberate others in the world. You know countries like France , Poland , Greece and many others along with the USSR had to fight for their lives since their countries were invaded and they had to do everything in their power to save their countries. But the USA was not invaded and the US soldiers were fighting just as hard and even harder sometimes then other soldiers just to liberate Europe and help all of them people who were free before the war. So really the US soldier was not fighting to kick the enemy out of the mainland USA but yet they fought as hard and anyone did to help save Europe so that shows me how much of hero's these men and women of that generation were. True hero's as were the US work force who worked around the clock day and night to supply our troops and the Allies. It just truly amazes me what that generation of people did in the USA in the war years. All true hero's as were all the Allied county men and women. up Ron

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Actually, Germany had plans for aircraft carriers and got pretty far along with one. But it was never operational.

German aircraft carrier Graf Zeppelin

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