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Any good stand alone controller ? #2669493
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Any easy harness and computer set up that will run with all the factory sensors on a take out early 5.7 engine?


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: HotRodDave] #2669575
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I have the MSD Hemi 6 on mine.

Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: cbusters] #2669664
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Look at the EFI Source Gold Box. They have a nice plug and play harness.

If I were to go this route I would use an MS3Pro Evo or Ultimate and repin the EFI source harness to work. That is mainly because I have had good luck and service with DiyAutotune with my current EFI small block.


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: Bad340fish] #2669780
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The hemi 6 is only for ignition correct?

I been looking at the MS3Pro evo ultimate and now I am more confused than a termite in a wooden yo yo... I don't see a kit that says it if for the gen III hemi anywhere?


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: Bad340fish] #2669888
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Originally Posted by Bad340fish
Look at the EFI Source Gold Box. They have a nice plug and play harness.

If I were to go this route I would use an MS3Pro Evo or Ultimate and repin the EFI source harness to work. That is mainly because I have had good luck and service with DiyAutotune with my current EFI small block.


I would suggest an MS, but it does not support drive-by-wire, I took the original post as not wanting to change anything but just drop in the stock engine and go.

The MS stuff isn't the most intuitive, however.


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: HotRodDave] #2670009
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As expected, there is no answer to this question.

Dave, I followed it for awhile and decided a few years ago:

it's a lost cause. twocents

I can't believe it still needs to be said, but, the Daimler computer is un-crackable, and no BS "change-your-shift-points" sct, diablo or superchips amateur junk is ever going to cut the mustard. Some have claimed to have done it, and those that fell for it got their vehicle locked up and had to pay a dealership to fix the "tuner" mess. "Hemifever" comes to mind, I believe he is living under a new identity, lol.

All I can offer is to go to a Blunder Motors based tuning platform and adapt it to run a Gen 3. It's a last resort, and has been done. To make matters worse, from what I've read lately, even they are going forward with locking up their new vehicles either this year or next.

Or, hope for 350 cfm heads that don't leak water for $2000 a pair for LA/Magnum's. shruggy


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: HotRodDave] #2670086
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Hey HotRodDave,
Isn't this designed for complete take outs and crate engines?

https://www.manciniracing.com/mo5crheinkit.html

A friend of mine used the 6.4 kit to put a 6.4 in a old Ford F100 and he said it couldn't have been simpler. I would go this route but my engine is far from stock so I got an MS3. Hopefully Mike helps me tune it when its finished. laugh

Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: 65Dodge440] #2670181
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Originally Posted by 65Dodge440
Hey HotRodDave,
Isn't this designed for complete take outs and crate engines?

https://www.manciniracing.com/mo5crheinkit.html

A friend of mine used the 6.4 kit to put a 6.4 in a old Ford F100 and he said it couldn't have been simpler. I would go this route but my engine is far from stock so I got an MS3. Hopefully Mike helps me tune it when its finished. laugh


I don't believe the crate stuff uses the early sensors and such he's asking about. But yes, for later/crate stuff, this is definitely a write a check and install it option for a stock(ish) engine. A modified or boosted engine needs something different.


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: furious70] #2670251
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Now were getting somewhere, what sensors am I sposed to use with that mopar kit? And why does it look like there re two controllers?


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: HotRodDave] #2670269
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I didn't realize the MP kits are for the newer VVT engines. I wonder if you switched to new sensors if it would work? Or if the VVT and too many other things are different.

What about this: https://swapspecialties.com/product/hemi-standalone-harness/

Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: HotRodDave] #2670490
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Now were getting somewhere, what sensors am I sposed to use with that mopar kit? And why does it look like there re two controllers?



I believe it's a hair more complicated than just swapping sensors, I'm fairly certain the crank trigger wheel would need to be swapped. Which requires the crank to come out of the block.

The "G3 Hemi Swap" facebook group may have some folks that have gone through that.

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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: GoodysGotaCuda] #2670540
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What is your goal? Do you just want to make a stock hemi run in a non OE application or do you want full tuning ability?


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: Bad340fish] #2670593
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EFI Source makes a complete plug and play ECU and harness setup for both early and late Gen 3 Hemi engines. No drive by wire option.

If you want to use an MS3Pro ECU you have to either make your own harness using their un-terminated harness, re-pin an EFI source harness to the MS3Pro ECU, or re-pin a factory harness and make it a standalone harness. No drive by wire option.

EFI source makes an adaptor plate so you can bolt on any cable drive GM LS style throttle body to the factory intakes. FAST makes bolt on cable driven throttle bodies for factory intakes with the correct GM TPS and IAC sensors that mate up with the EFI source harness.

If you want to have drive by wire going with a Holley Dominator ECU and Holley harnesses is the way to go.

You can also go the drive by cable route with Holley as well using the Dominator or HP ECU and their harnesses.

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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: Moparmatty] #2670686
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Even better! I have a re-built VVT 5.7 here that the customer would rather have, I was figuring there was more likely a set up for the early engines than the VVT so this is perfect.


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Re: Any good stand alone controller ? [Re: 65Dodge440] #2670876
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The Mopar kit has been designed and tested by Mopar for 2013 and up VVT engines so be careful if using on pre 2013 engine. The computer in the kit is not locked so you can use a programmer to make any changes.

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Does anyone know why the Mopar setup doesn't work with the truck engine? Are the sensors different, or just the wire lengths different. It's so much easier to find a truck engine, so I'm trying to figure out if the Mopar setup can be made to work.

Thanks
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Wire lengths are different, tuning is different due to different manifolds and cams etc

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Originally Posted by L4staero
Wire lengths are different, tuning is different due to different manifolds and cams etc


We used the Mancini kit to put a 09 5.7 truck engine in my brother's T-bucket.

HemiTronix......AKA Nutter Racing in Vancover Washington has a kit desinged for the older G3s, I forget what the price was , in the end we used Mopars kit for the T-bucket when we decided to use the 09 engine.


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