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I need more power #2668034
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I am going to be running my small block dart at drag week and I need some help getting some more power. Car works well all steel lexan 1/4 windows. It weights 3200 and change with me in it. Dana Caltracs 727 and a cage. The current engine is a 340 block .040 with a scat 360 steal crank and rods flat top pistons. It is 10.2 to 1 with a set of ported x heads. Has a 591 lift 240@50 solid roller cam. There is a 1000 cfm cra on a ported strip dominator. The engine has gone 10.89 at 125 but will ran best of 11.20 120 in the heat. Would like it to run comfortably in the 10s for drag week. I'm thinking I need at least another 50 hp dont want to spray it. I have a set of ported w2 that I think will be going on it. A crank scraper is on the way. Also thinking about changing the cam always thought it needed more. Any input would be appreciated.

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Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668040
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My suggestion is look for places to drop weight out of the car. LOTS of places you can trim lbs out of a car. At your performance level should not take a lot of work to find 50hp worth of excess weight in the car


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Re: I need more power [Re: Al_Alguire] #2668044
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Changing the heads will be the quickest fix. No doubt about it


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418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam
Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4
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Re: I need more power [Re: B3422W5] #2668208
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Originally Posted by B3422W5
Changing the heads will be the quickest fix. No doubt about it
iagree
Taking weight out also is always a good thing to do up devil


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Re: I need more power [Re: Cab_Burge] #2668220
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I would like to get it around 3000 with me in it. The dana and 727 are weighing it down a bit. Did pick up.a glass hood. The only problem is 200 lbs is not going g to get me to where I want to be.

Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668224
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A good set of aluminum heads will add power and drop nose weight at the same time. Find something compatible with your intake, valvetrain and headers to minimize cost of swap. Maybe a set of 1.6 rockers, too.

Re: I need more power [Re: sgcuda] #2668244
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A 904 with an aluminum drum is good for .1 to .15 VS the 727 .

Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668269
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I'm with Alguire, loose the weight. Look the car over, 200 lbs should be easy. My first car I scraped all the undercoating off and weighed it. Was over 25 lbs. Glass bumpers with aluminum brackets. You will be surprised how quick it adds up.

Re: I need more power [Re: merpar] #2668294
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Not the cheapest....... but probably the “easiest”.

408/416 stroker with some tweaked aluminum heads.

Basically, a 4” cast crank and a set of off the shelf pistons swapped into the current motor, and better heads.


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Re: I need more power [Re: fast68plymouth] #2668328
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How much fuel do you run in the car? I lost easily 70 lbs going from 5/8ths a tank to 2 gallons. Installed holley
Hydramat to be able to run that little fuel. Could probably run less but the gauge just starts to move and I like knowing I have enough.


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Re: I need more power [Re: fast68plymouth] #2668331
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With your weight the stroker 416 would help a lot.. it would add the
torque you need and look at the weight.. will you be running a back seat
if you are you might want to take that out plus the fiberglass hood and
manual hinges with a prop rod.. battery in the trunk.. just a couple of
things.. have fun on DW.. its usually pretty damn hot
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Re: I need more power [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2668372
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I do have a 418 short deck r3 but its 13:1 and dont really want to buy race gas for the whole trip. The car is fairly lightened. No back seat or heater. Most of the brackets are gone or swiss cheesed. Usually run it with around 7 to 10 gallons of fuel. Would like to put a set of trickflow heads on it but am waiting on a coupon or Ebay sale.

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When I 1st got the car it had a glass front bumper. My kids where messing around in it and rolled it off the trailer into the garage. Glass bumpers are not kid compliant.

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Throw A set of pistons in it for 11:1 with the proper cam and you
can run pump gas
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Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668396
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Originally Posted by NoFrills
I do have a 418 short deck r3 but its 13:1 and dont really want to buy race gas for the whole trip. The car is fairly lightened. No back seat or heater. Most of the brackets are gone or swiss cheesed. Usually run it with around 7 to 10 gallons of fuel. Would like to put a set of trickflow heads on it but am waiting on a coupon or Ebay sale.




Keep your eyes open or make a post on Monday that you need a Jegs or Summit 10% off code. Jegs and Summit will both be at Norwalk for the NHRA race and will probably be passing them out. I would have loved to go but with all the rain I'm way behind with yardwork.


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Re: I need more power [Re: pittsburghracer] #2668407
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I’m at 12.2 to 1 and am going to run pump gas for the road portion. Empty the tank at the track and put in race fuel. Did a 30 mile test with pump gas. No detonation, just baby the snot out of it. You could mix in a little race fuel as you go.


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Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668417
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Originally Posted by NoFrills
I do have a 418 short deck r3 but its 13:1 and dont really want to buy race gas for the whole trip. The car is fairly lightened. No back seat or heater. Most of the brackets are gone or swiss cheesed. Usually run it with around 7 to 10 gallons of fuel. Would like to put a set of trickflow heads on it but am waiting on a coupon or Ebay sale.


THIS^^^^, Add a set of Trick Flow heads along with a cam that's in the 260's @ .050.

Hear ya on the race gas. What about E85??

Re: I need more power [Re: cudadoug] #2668424
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I thought about going e85 but the closest station is about 30 miles away next closest is over 50

Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668464
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Originally Posted by NoFrills
I thought about going e85 but the closest station is about 30 miles away next closest is over 50


Sounds like a good way to build some extra drama into the trip, looking for fuel that ain't readily available...

Just my .02; best of luck


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Re: I need more power [Re: NoFrills] #2668501
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I carry my methanol with me - it's in my Snow water injection tank.
Light throttle use: lasts a month.
At 30 psi: much less.


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