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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: joshking440] #2667614
06/19/19 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by joshking440
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Mopar really dropped the ball on the gen3 hemis. This doesn’t go with that and that doesn’t go with this. I laugh when I see guys buying and selling only to buy again. You gotta be a nasa scientists to figure it all out and in the end most are still slower than 40 year old technology. I’ll pass but I may buy your old school junk. Lol 😂


This isn’t true. There are minimal differences and 2 minutes of research explains everything.







Your car looks and runs great but how many blocks did you buy and sell before ending up with this combo? Weren’t a couple of them aftermarket blocks too?


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2667630
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by joshking440
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Mopar really dropped the ball on the gen3 hemis. This doesn’t go with that and that doesn’t go with this. I laugh when I see guys buying and selling only to buy again. You gotta be a nasa scientists to figure it all out and in the end most are still slower than 40 year old technology. I’ll pass but I may buy your old school junk. Lol 😂


This isn’t true. There are minimal differences and 2 minutes of research explains everything.







Your car looks and runs great but how many blocks did you buy and sell before ending up with this combo? Weren’t a couple of them aftermarket blocks too?


I have an Arrow block I got from Josh. He didn't sell it because of differences in blocks that your making up stories about


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: sixpackgut] #2667636
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Bore size and VVT or not are the main interchangability considerations but the SB has plenty of bore sizes crank strokes, main bearing sizes (gen III has 1) , 3 intake bolt patterns for production engines as well as a myriad of aftermarket intake bolt patterns if you get into serious SB heads, again Gen III has one main one and the hellcat.


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: HotRodDave] #2667711
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Bore size and VVT or not are the main interchangability considerations but the SB has plenty of bore sizes crank strokes, main bearing sizes (gen III has 1) , 3 intake bolt patterns for production engines as well as a myriad of aftermarket intake bolt patterns if you get into serious SB heads, again Gen III has one main one and the hellcat.


You forgot pushrod length difference pre09 to 09up. Major finacial meltdown


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: sixpackgut] #2667962
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Originally Posted by sixpackgut
Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Bore size and VVT or not are the main interchangability considerations but the SB has plenty of bore sizes crank strokes, main bearing sizes (gen III has 1) , 3 intake bolt patterns for production engines as well as a myriad of aftermarket intake bolt patterns if you get into serious SB heads, again Gen III has one main one and the hellcat.


You forgot pushrod length difference pre09 to 09up. Major finacial meltdown



Oh my how did I forget that? 2 different pushrods, well the SB only had 5 so we got a ways to go to catch them.


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: HotRodDave] #2667972
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I'm no expert on either SB or Gen 3 (I now have both). My 408 has been great. However I thought it was time to embrace some of the new technology, as the GM guys have done with their LS. Why the hate on the G3? It seems like its potential is enormous, and can keep the Mopar banner going on for a long time. But I guess that's just me.


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: ChrgrCuda] #2668056
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I planned on going gen3 if and when my R1 dies, but, here is the salvage link based on my zip code. Ouch.

Gen3 search on 55316 zip code

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: hudsonhornet7x] #2668065
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Has anyone started and or tracked gen 3 performance with et’s etc?

I think I’ve see a Mopar what did y’all run deal on Moparts but what about an NA listing of cars and performance for NA gen 3’s

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2668259
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Originally Posted by joshking440
Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Mopar really dropped the ball on the gen3 hemis. This doesn’t go with that and that doesn’t go with this. I laugh when I see guys buying and selling only to buy again. You gotta be a nasa scientists to figure it all out and in the end most are still slower than 40 year old technology. I’ll pass but I may buy your old school junk. Lol 😂


This isn’t true. There are minimal differences and 2 minutes of research explains everything.







Your car looks and runs great but how many blocks did you buy and sell before ending up with this combo? Weren’t a couple of them aftermarket blocks too?


I sold one Mopar aluminum block to Ray because I wasn’t going to I use it.

I buy and sell a lot of parts. That’s how I pay for stuff. I built (2) complete engines using the latest aftermarket block from HHP - one for the duster and one for my barracuda. I sold the barracuda engine simply because I bought a hellcat takeout engine for the barracuda as i decided against all the fab work and time required to build another twin turbo - fabricate or custom every part - car that’s I really just want to beat on or if my wife wants to drive it

But I’m not sure why my buying and selling parts would be an indicator on the differences in the parts being hard to understanding. Even for a simpleton

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: joshking440] #2668272
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I stick my nose in the Gen 3 area 2-3 times a day because I am curious and like I said before if I wasn’t so old and burning out I would build one. I know there are probably better sites out there for these engines but the guys here are constantly buying selling and buying again. A couple of the guys do have their act together and have great running combos but not many on Moparts. Like I said I’m neck high in old school big block stuff and LA stuff and because guys know I will buy give me a call when they are selling. I had a call this past weekend about a 318 bore sized X block for 1200.00 which I here is a steal so I may grab it.

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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: Leigh] #2668357
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Originally Posted by Leigh
I planned on going gen3 if and when my R1 dies, but, here is the salvage link based on my zip code. Ouch.

Gen3 search on 55316 zip code


I get most of my good engines from copart, typically I can buy a durango with a good engine around $500


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: HotRodDave] #2668479
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by Leigh
I planned on going gen3 if and when my R1 dies, but, here is the salvage link based on my zip code. Ouch.

Gen3 search on 55316 zip code


I get most of my good engines from copart, typically I can buy a durango with a good engine around $500


Makes sense. Thanks.

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: Leigh] #2668671
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the ONLY way to buy a late model, computer controlled engine and transmission combo, is to buy the whole vehicle.
keep EVERYTHING until you are SURE you have ALL you need for your purpose[s].
in the meantime, take stock of all the parts that are salvageable you won't be using. sell those off before hauling the carcass off to be scrapped.
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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: TonyS451] #2709134
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Here is a video of the Final.

https://youtu.be/KSNsR0fLlZY


That is awesome!!

On a side note, I dont really see anyone hot rodding the base model 09 - up Challengers . Seems to me that would be the easiest gen111 hot rod swap of all. Pick up nice clean body, add the hemi drivetrain and everything you need for hemi conversion from junkyard, go nuts on the engine, add sticky tires and other race stuff ( maybe RT stickers if you like). Should be way ahead on cost vs a base RT and much faster if done rite.


My 2010 Challenger previous owner pulled the 383 stroker 5.7 out and I bought the rolling chassis. Air conditioner and a lot of over "modern stuff was pulled out. it was converted to a manual steering rack ,solid rear axle conversion ,gutted interior, power motors for the windows removed, windows are seat belt pulled like the old SS/A darts. car with me in it ( I weigh 225) weighs 3650 the G3 in it now is 408. CI . I'll hit island every now and them on my way home from work (NYC) on a Wednesday night, drive in pass tech and run 10.50s on an average night make a few passes then drive another 30 some odd miles home.


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1968 Mustang slow a$$ 428 FE
1971 Boss 351 Mustang 11.20@115mph
1993 Lighting 10.61 @ 129mph 408Ci A3 headed NA
2001 Lighting 9.01@ 148MPH 5.4 Mod Motor
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2010 Challenger 10.30 @ 132MPH 408CI G3ci NA
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