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Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: dragon slayer] #2656395
05/17/19 09:23 PM
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The secondary piston stop is about .25" longer


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Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: ns1aar] #2656500
05/18/19 09:33 AM
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Well, That is dramatic enough so it should be trimmed down. But if body length is identical along with seals and placement. That becomes an easy fix if you need the secondary piston. I assume then, the primary is a good match?

Here is a picture of what is going on. While hard to see both pistons are placed where the seals would sit just in front of the compensation ports. Leaving them open to atmospheric pressure of the reservoir. As the brakes are applied both pistons move and the seal closes the port. At this point pressure can build up equally in both chambers. The Secondary piston which controls rear drum brakes has a stroke of about 1/2" before bottoming on this 71up MC. The primary front disc piston has a stroke of about 1". The front piston overall length (some have adjustable spring lengths) determines start point of the secondary piston main seal in relationship to comp port. CAN"T cover comp port or pressure can not reduce when brakes off and springs rebound piston.

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Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: dragon slayer] #2688366
08/16/19 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dragon slayer
A picture to ensure you have the correct OEM would help. But that is the common Drum MC from 67 to 70. Those are still available after market like rock auto, and several on Ebay if you want Mopar OEM.


From a fellow member, I purchased a 2225601 master cylinder for my 1970 U-code Cuda . Does this Wagner rebuild kit (F104474) look correct for the 601 casting?

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Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: David1971] #2688593
08/16/19 10:46 PM
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On the drum kit, sorry I couldn't respond to your last PM. I was in OH last weekend and working until late most evenings since I got back!
Here are pictures of pistons in an NOS kit I have for the drum MC. Not sure why the aftermarket kit has a retaining ring, the original MC's didn't have a retaining ring, the power brake versions used a retaining clip, and the non power had a ring with the dust boot.

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Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: Mastershake340] #2688680
08/17/19 10:12 AM
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Not a problem about the PM. Plus, maybe this information can help someone else in the future. I do have some more questions though. When you say NOS kit, are you referring to an NOS Bendix or NOS Mopar kit? Can you share those part numbers? From the pictures, there is a slight difference in length between the Wagner and NOS pistons. Plus the O-ring/cups are configured differently on one of the pistons. Do you see a problem with those differences?

Lastly, did I buy the correct kit? Does the Wagner part number F104474 equate to a 474 kit?

Thanks,
David

Re: 70 ebody master cly repair kit [Re: David1971] #2689013
08/18/19 10:21 AM
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They do not look right.

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