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Small Block Oil Pump Gasket #2651050
05/01/19 09:08 PM
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Small Block Oil Pump Gasket who uses them. Been a while since I've done a SB but dont remember using one.


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'01 Dodge 3500 S Cummins Auto, Fresh air kit, 4" Exhaust,
'05 Dodge Magnum R/T - Too Much to list
'60 Willys CJ5
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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651051
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Nope.. I dont
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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651052
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Never used a gasket.. Just a thin smear of silicone.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651086
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I don't think I've ever assembled a SB without one work shruggy
Most of the ones that came in the box with the new pumps where real thin gasket material, thin like writing paper shruggy


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651089
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Ive always just used a very thin film of red anaerobic sealer

Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: gtx6970] #2651200
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Built at least 10 engines without it. When tearing down virgin engines that were original 60s to 70s there was no gasket from the factory.

Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: b1dartsport] #2651205
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Throw those thin pieces of crap that they give you in the trash and bolt it on. Anytime I’ve taken one apart that had a gasket on it it’s always squeezed out and ripped anyway leading to more issues.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: pittsburghracer] #2651234
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Throw those thin pieces of crap that they give you in the trash and bolt it on. Anytime I’ve taken one apart that had a gasket on it it’s always squeezed out and ripped anyway leading to more issues.

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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: skrews] #2651252
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Use some fine paper on a flat surface (glass, etc.) and rub up the mating surfaces of the cap and pump while you're massaging and port matching to correct any burrs/rough machining.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: CMcAllister] #2651254
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Originally Posted by CMcAllister
Use some fine paper on a flat surface (glass, etc.) and rub up the mating surfaces of the cap and pump while you're massaging and port matching to correct any burrs/rough machining.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651266
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The engine assembly was designed NOT to use any kind of fiber/paper type gasket. Although many gasket companies, as well as the typical Melling oil pump package, comes with a thin gasket, you are best to simply inspect the mating surfaces (oil pump and block/cap) so to assure flatness and no pitting or metal flash, then only use an anaerobic sealer (cures between metal-to-metal in the absence of air... DO NOT USE RTV silicone which requires air), then tighten to OE specs.

The very last thing you'd want is for some foreign material -- gasket material and/or RTV silicone -- to find its way into the oil pump or passage ways to then restrict the flow of oil.

Remember: RTV silicones are the most widely mis-used and improperly applied chemicals in the engine building industry. RTV should only be used at critical open-gap intersecting corners, such as the four corners of an Intake mfld or oil pan gasket assembly. Avoid spreading RTV all across a pre-made gasket, and never onto a rubber gasket.

I'm a former gasket engineer from a major company, wrote the instructions within their kits, taught hundreds of seminars, and was the lead person on their tech-line.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: Mopar Mitch] #2651365
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Thanks all...As I said I don't ever remember using one but its been 20 plus years since I've done a SB plus my memory is 20 plus years older as well so just needed a push.


'01 P1500, Blown/Inj BAE,/Veney ,Bruno/CS2,Dana 60
'01 Dodge 3500 S Cummins Auto, Fresh air kit, 4" Exhaust,
'05 Dodge Magnum R/T - Too Much to list
'60 Willys CJ5
'01 International LPX - Project,DT466, Allison
'64 Plymouth Valiant, Inj 528 Hemi, 2spd
Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651527
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On a side note while you are in there, check the clearance beween the counterweight & the underside of the pump body. & have the intergear in before you torque the 2 pump bolts (gives a dead on hex interface fit).


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: RapidRobert] #2651574
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You guys have a lot of knowledge , I wish I would have asked that question before I put my junk back together. I have always used the gasket supplied with the pump. Never had a problem but this info is good to know.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: Kindafast] #2651590
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Originally Posted by Kindafast
You guys have a lot of knowledge , I wish I would have asked that question before I put my junk back together. I have always used the gasket supplied with the pump. Never had a problem but this info is good to know.



I've always used a gasket. I've taken apart more than my fair share of engines that had never been touched and almost every one of them had a gasket. Never had a blowout.

There is no way two machined surfaces can seal without a gasket and seal correctly.

You didn't do anything wrong.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: W.I.N. Racing] #2651699
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No gskt. When checking the counterweight flycut clearance, check the pump body as well. I had a Melling that was paper thin, and blew out.

Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: madscientist] #2651937
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Originally Posted by madscientist
[quote=Kindafast] I've taken apart more than my fair share of engines that had never been touched and almost every one of them had a gasket. Never had a blowout.


And yet I find no part number for a gasket and no mention of one in service manuals. Last mention of a gasket between the pump and cap was in the fifties and it was a lathe cut O ring.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: John_Kunkel] #2651992
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Never saw one in a factory engine. Plenty of stuff is put together with sealants only.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: CMcAllister] #2652000
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I also have never seen one in a factory engine and i have never used one or had any issues without one.


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Re: Small Block Oil Pump Gasket [Re: aspenrt360] #2652018
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I’ve never taken one apart that had any type of gasket sealer on it either. Take the bolts out and it lifts right off.


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Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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