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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: jlatessa] #2644647
04/13/19 09:51 AM
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I would suggest a steel drum available from any sponsors on the board. They are all competitive in price.
An engine rev limiter will have no real effect on drum failure. If anyone took my previous posts that way, I guess I need to clarify.
The drum fails from exceeding its designed rpm limit. The only real way to get to that rpm is with gear multiplication. When the sprag fails, the drum is instantly accelerated because the low gear set in the trans comes into the equation. Low gear ratio is 2.45 :1 . So, engine rpm x 2:45 = drum rpm.
My idea was to add a drum speed sensor. With normal transmission operation, the drum speed should never be higher than engine speed. If drum speed would exceed engine rpm, the engine would be shut down regardless of engine rpm if a drum speed sensor was a limiter input.


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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: CSK] #2644651
04/13/19 09:56 AM
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I upgraded the drum and sprag a few years ago in the thought of safety. I spent thousands on the engine. For a lot less then that I can add some insurance to the tranny. One thought I've always had is I watch guys stage their car and don't bother taking the slack out of the transmission. I wonder if this can't play into it? I've seen some back into the second amber because the over ran it and just slap it in low gear. I don't know, but it always makes me cringe.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: JACK1440] #2644660
04/13/19 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by JACK1440
I upgraded the drum and sprag a few years ago in the thought of safety. I spent thousands on the engine. For a lot less then that I can add some insurance to the tranny. One thought I've always had is I watch guys stage their car and don't bother taking the slack out of the transmission. I wonder if this can't play into it? I've seen some back into the second amber because the over ran it and just slap it in low gear. I don't know, but it always makes me cringe.


That probably causes a large percentage of failures with non LBA valve bodies.

Kevin

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: JACK1440] #2644667
04/13/19 10:32 AM
04/13/19 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by JACK1440
I upgraded the drum and sprag a few years ago in the thought of safety. I spent thousands on the engine. For a lot less then that I can add some insurance to the tranny. One thought I've always had is I watch guys stage their car and don't bother taking the slack out of the transmission. I wonder if this can't play into it? I've seen some back into the second amber because the over ran it and just slap it in low gear. I don't know, but it always makes me cringe.


When you go to stage you need to be rolling forward a couple of feet while
in low so you set the sprag.. I wonder why all the old timers didnt have
issues.. back before there was any trick drums the guys use to use just
a stock drum.. for years and years I was told NEVER pedal while in low
gear SHIFT IT FIRST.. get out of low as soon as you can.. it can ONLY blow
when you pedal it in LOW.. also I was told not to put it in neutral to clear
the engine without have a couple of feet or more to roll forward in low..
these old timers still have both feet.. but it was pounded into their heads
not to pedal it in low.. you already lost the race so why break your stuff
wave

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2644695
04/13/19 11:19 AM
04/13/19 11:19 AM
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My brother and I have never blown one up or even seen one blow up. He races way more then me but I did race a lot back in the late 70's and early 80's. My brother goes racing at least twice a month and me about twice a year. Ron

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: John_Kunkel] #2645048
04/14/19 02:33 PM
04/14/19 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
Originally Posted by OUTLAWSSAA
If you race 727 don't use a stock drum.


They won't listen, every anecdotal tale of hundreds of runs on a stock drum reinforces the belief that explosions are rare and not to worry. rolleyes


Yeh... stock cast drums that are decades old, with who knows how many miles them.
I put a billet steel drum in my 11 second street/strip car ... because I can't get a new foot for $600 twocents


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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: Roughbird72] #2645087
04/14/19 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Roughbird72
Originally Posted by John_Kunkel
[quote=OUTLAWSSAA] If you race 727 don't use a stock drum.


Yeh... stock cast drums that are decades old, with who knows how many miles them.
I put a billet steel drum in my 11 second street/strip car ... because I can't get a new foot for $600 twocents
iagree
You can't see a Dr. in any emergency room now for less than a baziillion dollars now, correct work
AKA aside, I've seen the results of front drum exploding at the track, NOT GOOD tsk
Luckily both drivers where not injured much boogie
Not so on both cars whiney


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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: Cab_Burge] #2645088
04/14/19 05:40 PM
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Park Forest, IL
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The guy who blew the drum on the 13 second car was warned by his trans guy to put a drum in it, an LBA valvebody or at least a blanket on it. He said he couldn't afford it. The drum messed his foot up bad enough he was off work for a month.


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