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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: HotRodDave] #2641986
04/06/19 02:22 PM
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I know nothing about the combo but while listening the NHRA racing today there was a late model challenger with a 426" Gen III that ran 9.50 naturally aspirated as far as I could tell. Those stock and super stock guys are usually holding some numbers as well.


68 Barracuda Formula S 340
87 "Chrysler" Conquest
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: HotRodDave] #2642979
04/08/19 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by Dragula
I will tell you what impresses me about them the most....The unavailability of blocks....The super high cost of adjustable rocker arms, and how the stroker kits are still over $3k!

The lack of after market companies that make parts for them is unreal. Where are all the companies...They certainly are on the LS band wagon....They have only had +10 years to look at the G3 platform.

How many bracket builds are out there? Hell you go looking for info on these and it is tough to find.

If it wasn't for the few Mopar die hard companies out there, there wouldn't be much...And these are the future as everything else dries up.....

With everyone going to a GM trans in their Mopar, I can't image going to an LS would be too tough of a choice when Mopar parts become impossible to get.


The point is for most people the stock stuff does all of that, blocks readily available handle 1000 hp (there are plenty available if you need bigger HP), stock hydraulic lifter and rockers are fine to 7500 so who needs a cheap alternative (there are plenty of expensive ones), forged stroker kits start around $2500 or about the same as a SB kit and again there are more expensive options if you need it to handle more, eddelbrock makes a great EFI intake, ritter makes a great carb intake but they are expensive, I'll give you that one.


I am not saying they aren't any parts out there, but its still a lot more than a BB stroker. I want to build a couple of them in the next few years.


'70 Cuda,...605 EFI Hemi Street Car (6.20 best pass, 1.33 60ft)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYw6RA-k5Bk (6.25 at 108.75mph from inside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zQEb9uxFng (6.25 at 108mph from outside car)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCvfzsC4NgM (9.9)

'66 Barracuda AWB Stretched nose Blown 440 Car in build stage

'71 Duster Drag Car 400 Low Deck 512 best 6.002 at 115.44mph
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Znuo3jMUXTk
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: Dragula] #2643086
04/09/19 06:26 AM
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Still got nothing to add to this post other than a New Best update with my 401" Gen 3 powered 70' Road Runner......9.48 @ 139.4, 1.27 60ft. It was one of 14 passes this past Saturday where I was racing in the Thitek Pro Class (9.50) Index at the Modern Street Hemi Shootout Series at The Rock, Rockingham Dragway in North Carolina.

Conditions at time of new best: DA: 1373.2, Temp: 69.7 degrees, Baro: 30.2, Humidity: 64%, Grains: 69.7

On a side note, I won the class. My first Win ever!!

Carry On.......

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2643091
04/09/19 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by STEFF
Still got nothing to add to this post other than a New Best update with my 401" Gen 3 powered 70' Road Runner......9.48 @ 139.4, 1.27 60ft. It was one of 14 passes this past Saturday where I was racing in the Thitek Pro Class (9.50) Index at the Modern Street Hemi Shootout Series at The Rock, Rockingham Dragway in North Carolina.

Conditions at time of new best: DA: 1373.2, Temp: 69.7 degrees, Baro: 30.2, Humidity: 64%, Grains: 69.7

On a side note, I won the class. My first Win ever!!

Carry On.......


That is awesome, congrats!


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2643110
04/09/19 08:31 AM
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Nice, days that end with a trophy are a lot of fun. Congrats



"Just a Bracket car dressed up like a streetcar"
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: Bad340fish] #2643121
04/09/19 09:07 AM
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Congrats Steff on both,, the new best and the WIN
wave

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2643512
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Thanx Guys!

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2643630
04/10/19 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by STEFF
Still got nothing to add to this post other than a New Best update with my 401" Gen 3 powered 70' Road Runner......9.48 @ 139.4, 1.27 60ft. It was one of 14 passes this past Saturday where I was racing in the Thitek Pro Class (9.50) Index at the Modern Street Hemi Shootout Series at The Rock, Rockingham Dragway in North Carolina.

Conditions at time of new best: DA: 1373.2, Temp: 69.7 degrees, Baro: 30.2, Humidity: 64%, Grains: 69.7

On a side note, I won the class. My first Win ever!!

Carry On.......


Your car always impressed me, and you and a few others made these engines work when there was very little information available. That thing is flying, congrats on your win!!


'65 Belvedere
'68 GTX
'57 Dodge pickup
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: Get-X] #2643648
04/10/19 12:41 PM
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Here is a video of the Final.

https://youtu.be/KSNsR0fLlZY

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2643650
04/10/19 12:45 PM
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Very nice Steff!


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2644107
04/11/19 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by STEFF
Here is a video of the Final.

https://youtu.be/KSNsR0fLlZY


That is awesome!!

On a side note, I dont really see anyone hot rodding the base model 09 - up Challengers . Seems to me that would be the easiest gen111 hot rod swap of all. Pick up nice clean body, add the hemi drivetrain and everything you need for hemi conversion from junkyard, go nuts on the engine, add sticky tires and other race stuff ( maybe RT stickers if you like). Should be way ahead on cost vs a base RT and much faster if done rite.


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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2644109
04/11/19 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by STEFF
Here is a video of the Final.

https://youtu.be/KSNsR0fLlZY




Very VERY nice!!!!!


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Edelbrock headed 408
5.984@112.52
422 Indy headed small block
5.982@112.56 mph
9.42@138.27

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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2644114
04/11/19 04:51 PM
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I've got a stock short block 6.1 in my Roadrunner.

Just opened the ring gaps, 322 cfm ported eagle heads for 11.2:1 with 6.1 pistons and a 219/231 camshaft, TTI headers...nothing fancy, I sold of a good chunk of rare B/RB stuff to finance this.

In a 4200 lb car in 2009, I watched a 100k stock block 5.7 in a magnum go 11.50@119 with a smaller cam, less compression and IRS.

I know I'm already far lighter than the Magnum, if it takes my 3800 lb B body to the exact same 11.50@119 benchmark, I'm happy.


There was no B/RB/Fancy small block that could do everything that I wanted in on package.

Last edited by AlexP; 04/11/19 04:53 PM.

My Build thread: Let the hemi swap begin!

1968 wanna be pro touring whatchamacallit with some fancy stuff and a new roof skin.
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: AlexP] #2644297
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Thanx Guys!

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2666117
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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: aus370] #2667465
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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: STEFF] #2667478
06/19/19 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by STEFF
Here is a video of the Final.

https://youtu.be/KSNsR0fLlZY


Nice. It leaves like a Mopar should leave.


2011 Drag Pak Challenger
Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: TonyS451] #2667488
06/19/19 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TonyS451


On a side note, I dont really see anyone hot rodding the base model 09 - up Challengers . Seems to me that would be the easiest gen111 hot rod swap of all. Pick up nice clean body, add the hemi drivetrain and everything you need for hemi conversion from junkyard, go nuts on the engine, add sticky tires and other race stuff ( maybe RT stickers if you like). Should be way ahead on cost vs a base RT and much faster if done rite.


The reason more folks don't do that is you usually end up spending more than just starting with an RT to begin with, assuming you want all the modern stuff to still function. Getting everything working would not be for the faint of heart or wallet. Junkyards don't seem to let that stuff go cheap either.

The cheap way to do it take a v6 car, gut out all the electronic and safety garbage, cut out the dead weight similar to how we did with the drag pak program,
and do a Gen 3/drag race friendly 2 or 3 speed trans/solid axle conversion. Even with fabrication work for the trans and axle install, it's less expensive than
cloning an RT. The downside is....at the end you have a race car with no emissions legality so it couldn't be plated in a state
that does testing. A person could get away with street driving it in MI, but if anything bad happened and they decided to go after you, they would win.





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Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2667593
06/19/19 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Mopar really dropped the ball on the gen3 hemis. This doesn’t go with that and that doesn’t go with this. I laugh when I see guys buying and selling only to buy again. You gotta be a nasa scientists to figure it all out and in the end most are still slower than 40 year old technology. I’ll pass but I may buy your old school junk. Lol 😂


This isn’t true. There are minimal differences and 2 minutes of research explains everything.

Re: Does the Gen III hemi impress you? [Re: joshking440] #2667598
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3550lbs in this video (Duster, not Magnum).

6.1 based - good heads - e85- no intercooler - 22lbs of boost

I drove this thing for 3 hours nonstop last year at Woodward. And it was like 90

All the way from Pontiac to the start of the cruise and back to Pontiac.

https://youtu.be/SMrVEbdLkwo

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