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Rocker Advice #2643445
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Apologies for asking a question that has been asked time and time again... I’m building a full roller 440, 10.5:1, Edelbrock Performer Heads, Edelbrock Performer intake, Demon 850 carb, Howard’s Roller cam (278 283 duration .531 .547, .230 .236 @ 50 with 1.5 rockers). I’m looking for 1.6 roller rockers and curious which is better as far as Jesel , Harland Sharp, T&D etc... This is just a little street/strip car. Looking for quality, durability and longevity. I appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks!

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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643448
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Can't answer your question as I don't have any experience with the rocker arms you've mentioned but, I hear Rocker Arms Unlimited (previously RAS) is making their rocker arms again. Many people have praised them. Something to maybe look in to.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643452
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Originally Posted by brianlinn
Apologies for asking a question that has been asked time and time again... I’m building a full roller 440, 10.5:1, Edelbrock Performer Heads, Edelbrock Performer intake, Demon 850 carb, Howard’s Roller cam (278 283 duration .531 .547, .230 .236 @ 50 with 1.5 rockers). I’m looking for 1.6 roller rockers and curious which is better as far as Jesel , Harland Sharp, T&D etc... This is just a little street/strip car. Looking for quality, durability and longevity. I appreciate any and all thoughts. Thanks!


The Harlan Sharps and T&D are both excellent rockers. If I had to choose between them I'd use the T&Ds. I wasn't aware that Jesel was making a shaft rocker kit for that combo?


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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: Get-X] #2643455
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If it was me for that combo I would go with Harland Sharp rockers and I would be on the look out for a 10% off coupon for Summit.


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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643459
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T&D makes the best shaft rocker for that application but they are expensive. Jesel rockers are even better but would require machine shop work. I don't think I'd spend the money for Jesel rocker arms until 0.800 lift. You are under 0.600 lift which means that most any rocker arm will work. The Mancini rocker arms would work okay with that cam and save you a bunch of money.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: AndyF] #2643461
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I'd go HS.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: AndyF] #2643462
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I like Harland Sharps a bunch for something like this.
I have used them on a three different motors and never had an issue.
I have T&D's on my current deal , but only because Sharps aren't made for the W-9's.
I looked at Jesel , but they were more $$ for what I wanted and T&D's quality is top notch.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: tubtar] #2643471
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All I run on my engines is TD rockers.. thats on my B1MC to my SB
stuff.. never had a failure
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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643475
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I've used all kinds of different brand and material type rocker arms on BB Mopar motors for drag racing and street use.
I have found a bunch of variance on lift at the retainers on all of them including the T&D single shaft, on your deal I would go with the full roller Harland Sharps, not the newer cheaper extruded aluminum street sets tsk
Call them and talk to Steve and tell him exactly what ratio you want so they can build them that way, there standard off the shelf set of 1.6 ratio will usually measure at the retainers with checking springs to be 1.65 or so shruggy
I had them make me a new set for a set of Indy 440-1 heads and told him I wanted between 1.57 to no more than 1.60 ratio three months ago and they ended up checking out to be 1.59 ratio at the retainers up
I will be building a new semi all out BB Mopar 555 C.I. drag race motor in the next year or so for myself that will have a set of B1-MC heads with a set of custom made steel T&D pair shaft rocker arm set up for those heads, not cheap or quick but quality never is work

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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643490
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After having issues with other rockers, both my friends 470" stroker with RPM heads, and my 505" stroker with stealth heads are running Harlan Sharpe rockers with Smith brothers pushrods, and have not had any problems.
Not sure why the price of good rocker arms has jumped so much in the last few years? The S70016K 1.6:1 ratio set is now $830. About 5-6 years ago they were only $550-$600 a set.
Not sure how much the T&D rockers cost now. I have their max wedge victor rockers and they are good parts too.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: parksr5] #2643493
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Originally Posted by parksr5
Can't answer your question as I don't have any experience with the rocker arms you've mentioned but, I hear Rocker Arms Unlimited (previously RAS) is making their rocker arms again. Many people have praised them. Something to maybe look in to.


Ran those on my NHRA stocker engines, Great product,


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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: brianlinn] #2643589
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Go with the HS, work fine good quality...

Just my $0.02.... wink

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: pittsburghracer] #2643621
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
If it was me for that combo I would go with Harland Sharp rockers and I would be on the look out for a 10% off coupon for Summit.

iagree


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'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
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I've had too many problems with the HS rockers.. the length tended
to vary to much so thats when I changed to the TD ones
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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2643676
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I called Harlan Sharp and asked if they could make me 8 small block Mopar rockers with a .350 intake offset for a set of Edelbrock heads I’m playing with. He quoted me a very fair price and I had them less than 10 days later.


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422 Indy headed small block
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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: pittsburghracer] #2643681
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HS made us a custom offset set of shaft mount rockers for the SB Chevy in the Camaro. Nice stuff and great service...everyone thinks they're T&D rockers when we have the covers off b/c they aren't the typical gold/amber HS color.


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'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
Re: Rocker Advice [Re: pittsburghracer] #2643684
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Look at the difference in price between T&D an Harland Sharp. I bet they are within $100.00 dollars of each other. T&D is a superior product in my opinion. Do yourself a favor and get cup adjusters and go ball-ball pushods (No more burned pushrod cups). Believe me I have tried them all and T&D is a much better set-up.

T&D also makes a paired shaft set-up that is hands down the best rocker system you can buy. You can even go to a steel rocker with those. more money (YES) but piece of mind that you will not have valve train issues is well worth it in the end.

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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: AndyF] #2643752
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Originally Posted by AndyF
... The Mancini rocker arms would work okay with that cam and save you a bunch of money.

There's my vote.

Seems like some people are really quick to steer people towards $1000 rocker setups when the stuff in that price range is way overkill for what the OP described.

Re: Rocker Advice [Re: BradH] #2643756
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I have a set of RAS 1.6 rockers I would sell, pm me if you are interested.

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Re: Rocker Advice [Re: BradH] #2643760
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Originally Posted by BradH
Originally Posted by AndyF
... The Mancini rocker arms would work okay with that cam and save you a bunch of money.

There's my vote.

Seems like some people are really quick to steer people towards $1000 rocker setups when the stuff in that price range is way overkill for what the OP described.


The difference is more than just money.
Maybe you want to upgrade down the road ?
Maybe you just like the certainty that you have done everything to insure against part failure.
Bust a cheap rocker and send hundreds of little pieces of " Awwwww , crap " into your motor and then you will hate hind sight.
There are areas where you should look to save money , and some where it just doesn't make sense to me.

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