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Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: Skeptic] #1270897
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if you want a great deal on tubular adjustable sway bars for our runners - this is what i found, you can't beat the price!

http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=16954
http://www.sdtrucksprings.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=10105


Thanks! I just got f/r Hellwig bars for my Barracuda for 301.96 including shipping.




no problem glad to help a fellow mopar lover out! still the best deals for bars on the net, good quality too..

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Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: 72Swinger] #1270898
08/11/12 03:07 PM
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so you have actually drag raced this car with this engine?if so id like to see what the real diff in et after putting a good handling suspension in a car.i dont know if thats been demonstrated before.

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: Winchester 73] #1270899
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I did something very similar to this once.

I had a reasonably hot, for the time, bracket engine in a dedicated bracket car with the soft front end, 90/10 shock, SS leafs, slicks, lightweight wheels, the whole shebang for bracket racing. This car would run lows twelves @ 105mph.

I transplanted this engine in to a street car that was built to be a handling chassis. It had the requisite subframe conenctors and bracing, bigger t-bars, huge sway bars, gas charged high pressure shocks, XHD leafs and was low to the ground with fat tires all around. It also did drag strip duty and in this set up I was giving up a full second in absolute e.t. and was running 13.2, also at 105mph. At the strip I did swap on the drag slicks and the rear gearing between the two was the same. So while the e.t. was not hugely impacted, something I did notice was that the handling set up was considerably more consistent and my e.t.s tended to not be as variable as the dedicated bracket car was. It also was less sensitive to atmospheric changes and over all was a lot more fun car to bracket race than the dedicated drag car.

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: Winchester 73] #1270900
08/12/12 11:25 AM
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While the car weight and most other items will not change, the engine will have a little lower SCR, somewhat milder/street-friendly camshaft and 3.73 vs the 4.56 gearing from what I used in drag race trim. All-n-all, it shoud still make a real 450+ hp at the flywheel and be somewhat respectible in ET slips, even with the totally different suspension. I'm planning a trip to the strip for curiosity sakes so...we wiil see?!

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1270901
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I did a similar route with my 72 RR out went the Super Stock leafs and the 4:30 gear.....

In went the XHD leafs and a 2:94 suregrip.

I will eventually get it to the track and see how it goes.

As was mentioned before the mph in the quarter mile will not change much as this is directly related to the horsepower the engine produces. ET differences will be noted with the gear ratio change and the leaf spring and torsion bar rates.

Eventually this year I will get the car to the track and do some testing....

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: TC@HP2] #1270902
08/15/12 11:03 PM
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I did something very similar to this once.

I had a reasonably hot, for the time, bracket engine in a dedicated bracket car with the soft front end, 90/10 shock, SS leafs, slicks, lightweight wheels, the whole shebang for bracket racing. This car would run lows twelves @ 105mph.

I transplanted this engine in to a street car that was built to be a handling chassis. It had the requisite subframe conenctors and bracing, bigger t-bars, huge sway bars, gas charged high pressure shocks, XHD leafs and was low to the ground with fat tires all around. It also did drag strip duty and in this set up I was giving up a full second in absolute e.t. and was running 13.2, also at 105mph. At the strip I did swap on the drag slicks and the rear gearing between the two was the same. So while the e.t. was not hugely impacted, something I did notice was that the handling set up was considerably more consistent and my e.t.s tended to not be as variable as the dedicated bracket car was. It also was less sensitive to atmospheric changes and over all was a lot more fun car to bracket race than the dedicated drag car.




thanks ive always wondered about that!what was the lbs of the two cars?i think the thinking comes from superimposing how horrible a drag car handles with how a handling car drag races-thats why a lot of peaple think you loose alot at the strip.hten again imagine an 8 second car with a handling suspension swapped in

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: Winchester 73] #1270903
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The handling car was 3250# and the drag car was around 3100#. So using the tenth per 100# estimate, the handling car gave up .25 simply in weight. The other .75 was in the chassis set up and weight distribution.

In the overall scheme of things, since I was running a bracket car and not a class car, loosing a second of e.t. was no big deal as it was as fast as many and faster than some others. What I made up in consistency actually made it a funner car to drive since I could just hop in it, decide what hundredth I need to write down, and away I went.

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1270904
08/17/12 03:48 AM
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dont forget about a good road race oil pan, something with trap doors, or what ever it takes to keep the pick up covered under hard cornering.

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1270905
05/25/13 11:23 PM
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Well, the conversion project moves along. Installing new poly bushings, new 1.03" T-bars, new ball joints and the new Hellwig 1-1/4" front sway bar today, sheesh what a Behemoth; that sucker dwarfs these 7/8" struts! This bodacious-body car should handle pretty good when completed and that should be mid-June from all indications. This should be interesting with Viper front disc brakes, and the rest of the chassis mods, I'm glad I live in a canyon so the reality of 'canyon carver' will be a whole new meaning for me; old drag racer gone mad and corner-slicing...should be fun!


NOTE: If any of you are considering using this combination of 1-1/4" sway bar and installing the skid pan (E-body and '71-74 B-body cars) that's offered by Mancini, you MUST install the sway bar first as IF you weld the pan on, you will NOT be able to install the bar as it will bind up on the edge of the pan...ask me how I know?!! I ground through the welds, installed the bar and had to reweld after the sway bar was NOW installed...hmm?!! Just a heads-up...wb

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1270906
05/26/13 12:05 AM
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Me and my Dart are both ex-bracket racers, my car is so much more fun to drive now it isnt funny. 6 gears opens a whole new experience.


Mopar to the bone!!!
Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1909522
09/09/15 09:53 PM
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After all this time, she's just about done. Still have some stickers and lettering to remove and the exhaust pipes, but here she is, street trim. Hmm, should be fun, or so I hope?! For sale very soon...


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Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #1909664
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Pictures!!!

Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: MuuMuu101] #1915934
09/20/15 12:16 AM
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Congrats - and iagree iagree iagree - plus a brief summary of your build, and canyon-carving impressions!


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Re: converting...well, for this one anyway! [Re: blue_stocker] #2642545
04/08/19 12:33 AM
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Wow, it's been a while! I've been busy on other projects, helping another guy build his RR clone, engine, chassis and wiring, took me a bit of time, more than expected. I lost traction again, settled into a mess of junk but finally got motivated enough to get my head extracted and got the car running. New chassis, de-tuned the faithful old 440, slipped a 4 spd back in, changed wheel and tire combination (again), etc etc...Here's how she looks now...sits real low.

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