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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
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04/06/19 11:24 AM
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fast68plymouth
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Imo, stage 6’s on an RB is asking for fitment issues with 5209’s.
The stage 6 ex ports are about 3/8” higher and 3/8” farther apart than oe heads.
Not flaming....... it just is what it is.
I know with the two sets I had in my car, there were several areas of the headers that didn’t have 3/8” to spare.
They just barely...... and I mean barely....... didn’t hit anything.
FWIW, TTi lists the Indy stepped RB header for use with stage 6’s(with a $50 mod when ordering..... and another $50 mod if they have straight plugs).
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123
Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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04/07/19 12:02 AM
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jlatessa
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1-7/8" Super Comps on a 70 Charger, Iron heads, RB, a little tough to install,
needed an "adjustment" on #7 hitting the torsion bar. Other than that, fine.
Also, when trying to attach 3" TTI exhaust, the flanges were clocked 60* off.
TTI made me a custom set to match up to the Hookers.
One thing to remember, though, the Super Comps are equal length, so TTIs have made
fitment as a compromise,
I know I know......many feel equal length are un-neccesary for most applications, just saying
Joe
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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04/07/19 07:28 AM
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Imo, stage 6’s on an RB is asking for fitment issues with 5209’s.
The stage 6 ex ports are about 3/8” higher and 3/8” farther apart than oe heads.
Not flaming....... it just is what it is.
I know with the two sets I had in my car, there were several areas of the headers that didn’t have 3/8” to spare.
They just barely...... and I mean barely....... didn’t hit anything.
FWIW, TTi lists the Indy stepped RB header for use with stage 6’s(with a $50 mod when ordering..... and another $50 mod if they have straight plugs). Hmmm. Well that would account for some of the issues, but not the 1-1/2" tube. I knew it would be a Bi,,h and it was. Major complication is working around nice paint top and bottom.
70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
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04/07/19 10:43 AM
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cudatom
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Dennis with you fab skills you could make your own. Sure in the end you would be happier.
Ok
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
[Re: cudatom]
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04/07/19 11:14 AM
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jersey
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I’m sure they still fit better then Blackjacks.
526 cubes of angry wedge, pushbutton shifted, 9 passenger killer!
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
[Re: cudatom]
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04/07/19 01:39 PM
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Dennis with you fab skills you could make your own. Sure in the end you would be happier. Thanks Tom, I have considered doing just that. If I had a Tig Welder I probably would have done it. I would make stainless steel headers so I could burn my fingers more efficiently changing plugs
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70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant /// Update PICS
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04/07/19 04:07 PM
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Took some pictures today,all done I think.
Except for adjusting the crooked clamps................
70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant /// Update PICS
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04/08/19 09:05 AM
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I used to have 5209s on a 440 in my cuda. The slip fit tube on the driver's side hit the frame rail bad, had to smash a big flat spot on it. Both sides needed clearance to clear the tie rod ends during turning.
CHIP
'70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60
'69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60
'71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75
'73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75
'90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt
'06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant /// Update PICS
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04/08/19 12:05 PM
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Boy that sure does look purty with those shiny DC valve covers!
Now I need to pin those needles, got to feel that heat
Hear my motor screamin while I'm tearin up the street
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant
[Re: fast68plymouth]
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04/08/19 12:17 PM
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Val-haul-ass... eventually
BradH
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Imo, stage 6’s on an RB is asking for fitment issues with 5209’s.
The stage 6 ex ports are about 3/8” higher and 3/8” farther apart than oe heads.
Not flaming....... it just is what it is.
I crawled under a friend's RB E-body w/ E RPM heads and Hooker 5209s and saw why they weren't going to work "out of the box" on my 440 Challenger w/ Stage VI heads. Ended up using the Hookers on the engine dyno, but 2" TTIs on the car so I wouldn't have to re-engineer them to work. Indy SR/440-1 heads would be even worse, since they raise the exhaust port even higher than Stage VIs & Victors do.
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant /// Update PICS
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04/09/19 01:51 AM
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Engine is in stock location.
Steering shaft dent is only interference I am responsible for.
The tube that goes between the torsion bar and frame around the starter is the one that blew me up.
Can't even get a 2"tube through there, never mind the way it was routed into the space of the frame.
70` Cuda`,440 6BBL Jerico,Dana 4.56 Still on 93 Pump Gas
9.87 @ 136/1.31-60ft.`09 Mopar Nationals PASSON PERFORMANCE "Stick-Shift" Champ!
2013 StickShift Challenge Winner@ Mopar Nationals!
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant /// Update PICS
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04/09/19 09:07 AM
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ZIPPY
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#7 tube is stupid tight to the torsion bar even with a B block and std port heads. It works but there is no room to spare.
It totally makes sense it is no-go with raised block and raised port heads.
Love the direct connection valve covers.
Rich H.
Esse Quam Videri
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant //Update w-PICS
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04/09/19 10:52 AM
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I run Hooker 5903’s on my 67 B-engine combo, so not exactly an apples to apples comparison, but they fit nicely with no modifications needed. I’m not discounting all the other responses from those of us that have had fitment issues with Hooker products, but I hardly think it’s fair to single out the headers as the problem on a combo that includes an aftermarket K-frame, aftermarket steering, and raised port heads. Let’s face it, if off the shelf headers DID fit the OP’s combo, then they are way wrong.
Last edited by StealthWedge67; 04/09/19 04:10 PM.
LemonWedge - Street heavy / Strip ready - 11.07 @ 120
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant //Update w-PICS
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04/09/19 11:27 AM
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krautrock
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I run Hooker 5903’s on my 67 Beng combo, I was thinking about those headers (well actually, some patriot bare headers so I could try a hi temp paint on them...the tubes all look the same), do you run angle spark plug heads? if so, how is the plug/wire clearances?
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Re: Hooked Headers Rant //Update w-PICS
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04/09/19 04:17 PM
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StealthWedge67
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I run Hooker 5903’s on my 67 Beng combo, I was thinking about those headers (well actually, some patriot bare headers so I could try a hi temp paint on them...the tubes all look the same), do you run angle spark plug heads? if so, how is the plug/wire clearances? Stealth Heads, so straight plugs. No fitment issues, plugs are pretty easy to access. I did think of one issue: my #7 tube blocks off the bolt hole location in the inside of that port. I run them with no bolt there, they’ve never leaked at that location.
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