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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: jlatessa] #2641469
04/05/19 09:36 AM
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Thankfully and mostly to reading posts on Moparts about building, racing and the do/don'ts on 727s I haven't had any any explosions luck
I'm not sure how I didn't roll a sprag or two in my younger days with some of the stupid **** I use to do.


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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: jlatessa] #2641483
04/05/19 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by jlatessa
Hey Pittsburg racer, that accident at Norwalk wasn't 50 years or so ago was it?
I was at a similar incident there late 60s/early 70s

Not pretty, I thought I remembered the person dying, but it was a loooooong time ago.

Joe






I have been going to Norwalk for a long time but not 50 years (YET). This was back when norwalk was all gravel pits and the left side of the track was a bicycle motocross so in the 1970's somewhere. No one was killed when my buddies (clutchflight) exploded but like I said it was ugly. (one person hurt, one person passed out). This is how Norwalk looked back then.

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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: pittsburghracer] #2641490
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blew up one,had oil and parts visit me,i will never trust another,although there in both my cars

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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: dart games] #2641505
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to think of all the neutral drops and J hooks [fast in reverse, then low drive] we did in our younger days, not one transmission blown, but smoked a bunch of clutch packs causing big time slippage or a "no go" condition. but then, my junkyard had a ton of "freebies". biggrin
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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: dvw] #2641553
04/05/19 12:29 PM
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No drum explosion for me. Have stripped a sprag and broken the aluminum front gear spline teeth. Upgraded all that stuff years ago, with A&A Super sprag, Steel front gear, and billet steel drum.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: dvw] #2641581
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I started drag racing in 1974, and have raced 5 to 10 events every year since then. I also build transmission for several of the local racers in my area. I have seen eight 727 transmissions blow up while I was at the track at the event. I have built replacements for two transmissions that blew up when I was not at the event. I have seen four turbo 350 chevy's blow up as well, they break a roller clutch going into 2nd gear. I understand how the 727 works, so I drive it the right way, most likely you will never have an issue, but develop a brain fart and boom they will go off, no hype, buy the drum, it's cheaper than all the stuff it will break if it does go, not to mention the doctor bills if it comes inside. Of those eight blow ups I saw three came inside the vehicle, thankfully no one was seriously hurt, one did need to go to the hospital and walked with a cane for several months. The ones that came in the car all had carbon fiber shields, not blankets.
I did blow up a flywheel on a 79 dart 4-speed car, and that put the fear of god in me, no manual trans car after, that I owned, did not have a blow proof bellhousing.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: 451Mopar] #2641591
04/05/19 02:27 PM
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Never blown one up or ever seen one blow up. I start all my burn outs in first, doesn't matter what gear you start in, its what gear you come out in that hurts parts. twocents


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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: Azzkikrcuda] #2641595
04/05/19 02:35 PM
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[quote=Azzkikrcuda] I start all my burn outs in first, doesn't matter what gear you start in, its what gear you come out in that hurts parts. twocents [/quote


I’m interested in how you came up with this.

Do you have facts?

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: jwb123] #2641608
04/05/19 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jwb123
I started drag racing in 1974, and have raced 5 to 10 events every year since then. I also build transmission for several of the local racers in my area. I have seen eight 727 transmissions blow up while I was at the track at the event. I have built replacements for two transmissions that blew up when I was not at the event. I have seen four turbo 350 chevy's blow up as well, they break a roller clutch going into 2nd gear. I understand how the 727 works, so I drive it the right way, most likely you will never have an issue, but develop a brain fart and boom they will go off, no hype, buy the drum, it's cheaper than all the stuff it will break if it does go, not to mention the doctor bills if it comes inside. Of those eight blow ups I saw three came inside the vehicle, thankfully no one was seriously hurt, one did need to go to the hospital and walked with a cane for several months. The ones that came in the car all had carbon fiber shields, not blankets.
I did blow up a flywheel on a 79 dart 4-speed car, and that put the fear of god in me, no manual trans car after, that I owned, did not have a blow proof bellhousing.


I've read similar experiences with the carbon fiber shields. It would be nice if NHRA would allow a blanket on the interior of the car. Sure would be easier than burning straps on the headers. up

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: gsmopar] #2641805
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I also learned of this phenomenon pre internet when a friends Challenger broke a rear gear (8.75) and BOOM!! Stuff went everywhere. Wrapped the floor skin around his lower leg. Wiped out the gauges, small shards stuck in door panels. Needless to say blankets and billet drums became a must.

Cousins car a few years back at Vegas broke the gear (8.75) and shocked the sprag so hard it split the case.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: J_BODY] #2641894
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I ve been lucky. Closest was breaking a rear U-joint just off the starting line. Trashed the driveshaft, tailshaft housing, rolled the overrunning clutch, and even put the fan through my brand new aluminum radiator. I now have a super sprag, billet steel front drum, limiters on the engine and trans.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: dvw] #2641902
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It's been pretty consistent at about 10% responding "Yes" ...

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: BradH] #2641914
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Originally Posted by BradH
It's been pretty consistent at about 10% responding "Yes" ...


And 90% of those yeses were due to doing stupid things like pedaling
it when they loose traction
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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2641917
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I build my own 727’s and do them for other racers. Never an explosion and no LBA valve bodies. We talk about the correct way to do burnouts and drive.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: BradH] #2641922
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Originally Posted by BradH
It's been pretty consistent at about 10% responding "Yes" ...



I wonder if any of the 1200+ views didn't vote if they blew one up?
Doug

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: dvw] #2641989
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The “fear” being spread is not only a possibility, but also preventable. It’s my recommendation that if you’re going to a track with a 727, have a GOOD drum in it. A sheild or blanket would be great too, but job one is getting that stock drum out of the picture. Biggest deal is that ALL the collateral damage this failure can cause. Eliminate the risk!

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: J_BODY] #2641997
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Originally Posted by J_BODY
The “fear” being spread is not only a possibility, but also preventable. It’s my recommendation that if you’re going to a track with a 727, have a GOOD drum in it. A sheild or blanket would be great too, but job one is getting that stock drum out of the picture. Biggest deal is that ALL the collateral damage this failure can cause. Eliminate the risk!




I still run a stock drum... if people would learn to drive it properly there
isnt any issue.. that same stock drum has been in there since I first
built the trans.. I have had the trans apart 3 times.. I did break the 8 3/4
once and I checked the sprag.. it was fine but I still replaced it
wave

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: MR_P_BODY] #2642054
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How does “learning to drive” play into the rear gear breaking causing the event? Both situations I was present for were seasoned racers. Proper burnout, move to the line, bring up the rpm, green/go/BOOM!! in both of these situations they were foot brake cars so the preload was there. One a high 9 car, the other a 10 sec deal with NOS that wasn’t even used that day. Both 8.75

There is something your stock drum can do that a billet or aluminum can’t. In the event of mayhem you’ll have the chance to see smile

I ran a lightened cross drilled stock drum in the Mirada for many years. I broke a set of gears (8.75 of course) and threw another set in. I was lucky.... to be honest back in the day I didn’t have a clue. Chuck Lofgren was at the track the day my friend blew the floor out of his Challenger. He stopped by and took a look and educated us, matter of fact he pretty much assured us that the gear was broken even though it pushed back and towed back to the pits ok. He was spot on. I still say upgrade that 727 front drum. Cheap insurance. Think of all the bad things that “could” happen that are eliminated by this upgrade.

Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: J_BODY] #2642059
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One thing that some forget to do is when they get to the line they put
the car into neutral and clear the engine then pull it into low without
rolling forward about 5 feet.. the rolling forward sets the sprag and
takes the slack out
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Re: 727 explosion poll [Re: jwb123] #2642066
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Originally Posted by jwb123
I started drag racing in 1974, and have raced 5 to 10 events every year since then. I also build transmission for several of the local racers in my area. I have seen eight 727 transmissions blow up while I was at the track at the event. I have built replacements for two transmissions that blew up when I was not at the event. I have seen four turbo 350 chevy's blow up as well, they break a roller clutch going into 2nd gear. I understand how the 727 works, so I drive it the right way, most likely you will never have an issue, but develop a brain fart and boom they will go off, no hype, buy the drum, it's cheaper than all the stuff it will break if it does go, not to mention the doctor bills if it comes inside. Of those eight blow ups I saw three came inside the vehicle, thankfully no one was seriously hurt, one did need to go to the hospital and walked with a cane for several months. The ones that came in the car all had carbon fiber shields, not blankets.
I did blow up a flywheel on a 79 dart 4-speed car, and that put the fear of god in me, no manual trans car after, that I owned, did not have a blow proof bellhousing.



"The ones that came in the car all had carbon fiber shields, not blankets" Same deal with a friend, the shield did nothing, and he almost lost his foot. I run a blanket. Run something safety wise.

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