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Budget bracket duster build? #2640658
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Looking for advice for building a duster bracket car. My goals are to run 10.0s or close, must be easy to work on. I have a 70 Duster body an iron headed 440 and 727 trans 4.56 8 3/4. With that driveline my 3700lb belvedere ran a best of 10.88 and avg 11.0. I plan on running ladder bars and coil over shocks. What is best back half car or mini tub? For the front end I want to remove at least inner fenders or removable front clip? Any other advise? Thanks Mike

Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: Smoparmike] #2640664
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Before you build, look on the net --I can find several of those examples out there , in a rainbow of colors and options.. save yourself a ton of $$


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Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: bigdad] #2640676
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True but I have so many parts. Why buy someone else and not know what it is?

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Good eye, you can kinda tell for the most part ..selling parts is much easier than whole car ..

Just my advice , find right car ..be racing in a few weeks !


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Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: bigdad] #2641463
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Thanks for taking the time to answer me. I have at least 2 years before I could start racing. My youngest will be out of the house ,hopefully I will have more time to race. I guess I will build it as light as possible. And go from there.

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bigdads got the right idea. buy one already done its much cheaper than starting with a rust bucket from scratch. paint can be changed, parts can be bolted on.


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Yes I know. But body is rust-free from North Dakota. It was a /6 3on the tree car no title. Not worth much besides a race car. Thanks again I will figure it out

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There are several Duster threads on here including mine. I thought I'd get mine done in a few months but once I got into it I found a lot of stuff that needed to be changed. These projects take a long time unless you have all of the tools, parts, money, time, etc. on hand and ready to go.



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it ALWAYS takes more time than a guy figures. my buddy is fond of saying : "there is no such thing as a 1/2hr job. just figure 3-4 times longer than it SHOULD take, and you'll be sorta close".
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Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: moparx] #2641514
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It's always less expensive to buy a done car than build one. Price out a proper cage, for example.
There's a lot of money to be spent also on suspension, light parts, electronics, etc for a 10.0 car, plus the time.
Depending on how many of your parts you want to use, you might even find a decent roller for not much $$$.
Kinda hate to see a rust-free body cut up, just get a title for it and someone can build a nice car out of it.
Look around, post some photos of what you find, and the guys here can point out the good & bad.

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I appreciate the advise. I know everything takes longer and costs more than I plan. I have built a couple of street/strip cars in the last 32 years. I bought this body to make a race car. I have always wanted a race car. Not a compromised street car. I know it's not what most guys do when they get older. So this is my retirement dream.

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Just build the car first.
Do it the way you want it....... put stuff in it that’s absolutely suitable for the ET target.
Obviously, lighter is better.

In the grand scheme of things, the motor is usually the quickest/easiest part of the project.
600-625hp is enough to get down into the low tens @3000-3200lbs.


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Look for one already done, trust me. I’ve done it both ways and it’s way cheaper starting out with one done. I paid 7500.00 for my black Duster with a well built Dana, CRT 727, good convertor, 11 second small block with Edelbrock heads and Victor intake, 7al3 ignition, 8.50 legal cage, and much more. Then while my son raced I made it how I wanted it each winter. Try building one for double that with those parts.


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Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: Smoparmike] #2641563
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If your absolutely positive your going to be happy with going no quicker than 10.00 in the 1/4 at or below 135.00 MPH and no quicker than 6.39 ET in the 1/8 mile than a 5 point NHRA legal roll bar will do fine work
If not happy with those numbers then have it back half with a cage at the same time your doing the coil over conversion up
I built a 1971 Duster 6 cylinder three speed car into a BB street racer that I wanted to go into L.A. CA and race the black guys in Compton and Watts on the street for money, unfortunately (maybe fortunately) I ended up having to deal with a health issue before getting the car done whiney shruggy
I had a legal chrome moly six point roll bar installed along with a coil over rear suspension using 15.5 inch extended long single adjustable Strange coil overs with 200 LB. springs tsk, I changed them later to a set of double adjustable with 130 Lb. springs up
I did not try to build it lightweight realcrazy due to not wanting any one to think it might be half fast devil
I built a pump gas 511 C.I. 400 block stroker motor with a set of mildly ported big valve 906 iron heads that made 9.25 to 1 compression ratio, I wouldn't do that now tsk
Buy a new set of decent aluminum heads like the Trick flow 240 or 270 heads and shoot for 10.0 to 11.0 to 1 compression ratio :thumbs
I used a low deck six pack set up on that motor along with a solid roller camshaft and a cheap set of CAT brand 1.6 ratio aluminum roller rockers that went bad right away due to using the wrong shafts whiney
I dyno tested that motor in 2003 and it made 612 HP at 5500 RPM along with 544 Ft. Lbs. torque at 4500 RPM in Ontario, CA on a DTS engine dyno on CA 91 octane pump swill boogie
I was hoping to make between 550 and 560 HP and didn't have any goals for torque shruggy
I got the car running in the summer of 2005 after moving up here to Oregon, I ran the car at our local 1/8 mile track in late August and then in early October I ran it at Woodburn, OR which is a 1/4 mile. It ran 7.0 in the 1/8 mile at 93.MPH, it exceeded my hopes in the 1/4 mile by running 10.69 at 124.+ MPH cork up with the air cleaner on boogie The car weighed right at 3450 Lbs. with me in it with two 1973 Duster front bucket seats, extra thick carpet with extra padding stock heater and a decent AM/FM cassette radio.
It did have a fibreglas race weight hood with a 1968 hemi type scoop and fibreglas front bumper. I moved the motor back around 2.0 inches and I had the rear wheel wells lengthen 5.0 inches, three inches to the front and two to the rear along with full tubs to the stock inner sub frames. I also moved the rear end forward one inch up I weighed it with me in it and it has right at 50.5% on the front tires with 49.5 % on the rear tires boogie
On your deal I would build it as light as possible due to you wanting to race it at the track onlyup
I ended up changing a bunch of parts on the car to make it go quicker and faster in the next ten years realcrazy
It ran a best of 9.993 at 134.7 MPH with the air cleaner and 3.0 inch exhaust on and hook up devil
Duster flat rock thumbs
Good luck on your deal, build it the way you want it and have fun thumbs

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Re: Budget bracket duster build? [Re: Cab_Burge] #2641576
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THE BIGGEST MISTAKE YOU MADE WAS ASKING PEOPLE HERE WHAT TO DO....LOL

Do what YOU want, Of course its cheaper to buy a car done, but maybe you want to tinker and spend time in your garage building the car. Maybe you want the satisfaction of saying it built this myself, whatever the case...So people like to just race and not spend time building the car.

Best bang for the buck if you want a 10.0 car...Build it as light as you can, put a mild BB in it or a junkyard Gen3 if you can get one cheap. If you have a BB already, you can build a 10.00 car pretty easy and it will be reliable. Put a good trans, and rear in it, they will last you forever.

Good luck in your build !


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I get the impression that you are well aware of the benefits of buying something already done, but would prefer a project. Nothing wrong with that. In that case, I think your current drivetrain should be fine ,but I dont know about 10.o's. May need to add a set of trickflow heads to bump up the power. Have fun with it.


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Thanks Cab, I don't think I can get an NHRA license so 10.0 will be it. Right now I'm trying to decide to back-half car or mini-tub with ladder bars. Not sure what size slick but I have 8&10 inch rims. I don't want to worry about car hooking but don't want overkill either.

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Yes lighter the better. I was on FABO looking what some a bodies weigh. It looks like a lot of them are around 3000lb for a more race setup. I'm thinking that shouldn't be to hard to hit.

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Originally Posted by Smoparmike
Yes lighter the better. I was on FABO looking what some a bodies weigh. It looks like a lot of them are around 3000lb for a more race setup. I'm thinking that shouldn't be to hard to hit.


MY car is mini tub with ladder bars. Its a dart. It can fit a tru 10.5 and I run a 275 on a 12" rim. It weighs 3000 with me in it, Its got a full stock K frame and front suspension . Glass hood, trunk, doors, bumpers. Proglass lexan. Its a t400, BB, 9 inch rear.


A duster mini tubbed will fit a 10.5 W that's plenty of tire. Concentrate on cutting off all the hitchikers, anything not needed get rid of it !


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