Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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A good idea is to make note of the slack (movement) between the drive gear and the cam when new. Then it's easy to detect wear if the thing is getting sloppy, by popping the distributor and checking with a large screwdriver or tool.
Or visually compare used to a new one.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I always compare the gear wear to the inside most area of the teeth. I noticed some weird gear wear on my small block on this last inspection and when I put it in the block to check how much slop it had it turns out the bushing in the block was shot. It hadn't been in very long but it was very worn so I changed it and put another gear I had in. I have always just dropped the gear in and never checked that bushing, I am glad I noticed it before it chewed up another gear.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad your oil filter will tell you a lot about what is happening to that brass gear.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I always compare the gear wear to the inside most area of the teeth. I noticed some weird gear wear on my small block on this last inspection and when I put it in the block to check how much slop it had it turns out the bushing in the block was shot. It hadn't been in very long but it was very worn so I changed it and put another gear I had in. I have always just dropped the gear in and never checked that bushing, I am glad I noticed it before it chewed up another gear. bushings can be a big issue. I've got a bunch of new ones that are too loose to use.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Silly question: Why are you using a bronze gear in a street car instead of the melonized gear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I had a camshaft that would mow right through the gears I actually ended up taking some sandpaper and rounding the edges of the gear on the cam.. man night and day difference
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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In no particular order...
I have an oil filter cutting tool, but need to locate it after things got stuffed "wherever" when we had to deal with a basement plumbing leak last year.
I feel no detectable looseness between the bronze gear and the cam gear. I do think that I can push the oil pump drive shaft forward & backward maybe. 015" +/- due to bushing wear.
Dwayne Porter and I spoke about the melonized gear option a couple years ago when I was collecting parts. I run a high-volume oil pump, and the open spring loads with the new roller cam are about 600#s. If something about my combination does result in excessive wear on the treated steel gear, that's going to put more dangerous sh!t in my engine than the softer bronze gear, so I took his advice and decided to play it safe at this time.
We also talked about the possibility of sharp edges on the cam gear causing wear, which is why I used a small wire brush with a Dremel on the cam gear before installation. Not sure if it would have been better to use a small grinding stone and bevel the edges of the teeth, though.
I took a number of pictures tonight. However, the image sizes may be too large to upload directly from my phone. If they're too big, I'll have to shrink 'em some on my laptop and attach them tomorrow.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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View of gear & cam before removing oil pump drive.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Contact pattern on bronze gear visible...
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Slightly different view of cam gear.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Bronze gear wear pattern from one direction of rotation...
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Bronze gear wear pattern from the other direction...
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I don't like the looks of the wear in the bushing.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I’d put a few hundred miles on it, then look at the gear again.
The teeth on the cam gear don’t have the nice chamfer on them like cams of days gone by, but at least they don’t have a sharp edge.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I always compare the gear wear to the inside most area of the teeth. I noticed some weird gear wear on my small block on this last inspection and when I put it in the block to check how much slop it had it turns out the bushing in the block was shot. It hadn't been in very long but it was very worn so I changed it and put another gear I had in. I have always just dropped the gear in and never checked that bushing, I am glad I noticed it before it chewed up another gear. bushings can be a big issue. I've got a bunch of new ones that are too loose to use. That could be the issue I have. The new bushing i put in went in easy and the install tool was easy to pull out.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Looks as if the gear meshing forces are pushing the intermediate shaft forward.
Could the geometry of the cam or shaft gear be off somehow?? Was the oil pump allowed to find it's alignment with the shaft before tightening??
Just thinking out loud...
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PS, if the intermediate shaft gear was pinned to the shaft a little high or low?? Can you measure and compare?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad here’s one I pulled out of the hemi after a couple years. Hard to see but it was slowly wearing into the teeth. You can see how the what I call edge is worn from looking down from top. The edges are very sharp and there’s a little burr on the bottom edge. This is a solid roller with a melling HV pump. I changed to a melonized gear from Hughes a couple of years ago and pulled it out last fall and it and the cam showed zero wear. I know they say never use on a used cam but never say never I’ve didn’t have any problems. Cam gear and the melonized gear holding up, despite going against two of the warnings for using the melonized gear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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As long as you have the gear out, check the cam's forward movement once more to see if the cam button is holding the right clearance.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Hey Brad...I think there was a thread over on ST several years ago by now where a guy was having issues with gear wear and they eventually found the gear on the cam was ground incorrectly. That's IF my memory isn't jacked up. May be worth a search over there just to verify what I recall.
Also, you can change the bushing without a taking it apart. The best bet for that bushing is to just eat the money for the correct bushing tool and buy the undersized bushing. The tool then installs the bushing and sizes the I.D. at the same time and you don't have to worry about the bushing being loose. I fought that for awhile. Then I bought the tool and stopped using the pre-sized bushings.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? I thread them and pull them out with a slide hammer when the engine is together. If you do, make damn sure you thread the whole bushing and screw the slide hammer to the bottom of the bushing.,otherwise you just pull the top of it off. And then I say a few cuss words, throw the tool, take a break and start over. That's what works best for me. YMMV
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? Is the engine installed in the car? I just took off the oil pump. Also had a friend who ran a bronze gear and lost all the teeth after a year of street driving put in a melonized gear. No problems since.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I’d put a few hundred miles on it, then look at the gear again.
The teeth on the cam gear don’t have the nice chamfer on them like cams of days gone by, but at least they don’t have a sharp edge. On another thread you mentioned the older Crane roller I picked up recently came from the era when they were a little nicer to intermediate shaft gears. At the time, it went in one ear and out the other. I just checked my picture, and I get it now. Never gave the cam gear a second thought before. Thanks. From what I can see in the pics, Brad's gear doesn't look horribly bad.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I posted the first set of pics to highlight the wear/contact areas in direct light.
These next ones were taken without flash (ambient florescent light), FWIW. I'll bet money that the gear you have is NOT a Milidon or one of the early Mopar brand that had the roll pins installed in them instead of the solid retaining pin yours has The one I'm having trouble with is a early Mopar brand and it has the bright colored roll pin with the ends mashed, the two Milidons I'm using have a black coated colored roll pin in them
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I've seen tools for installing the bushing, but what's required to remove one from an assembled engine? From the factory service manual:
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I bought the tool to remove and reinstall the bushing. One thing most people overlook is to fill the bushing opening with redline synthetic gear oil and squeeze it between your finger and thumb until it oozes out through the pours of the sintered brass. Then press it in and burnish it with the tool.
Another idea is to use the treated steel gear on a new cam. If you can't do that, have the gear cryogenically treated .and coat it with synthetic disc brake grease.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. Dig around a bit Brad because I was looking about a year ago for a friend and I found them for about a hundred bucks.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I changed mine on my small block without pulling the pan. I have a harbor freight bearing puller kit and it worked perfect. My Dad has the install tool so I was able to use that.
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... scope Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. $100 from Hughes
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I should have been more clear and said it was looking like about $200 (give or take) for both tools combined. The HF puller approach looks like a good idea. I found a video on YouTube last night showing someone pulling a bushing w/ a small OTC-brand puller, so I kinda had that idea in mind already. Nice to see that something I can buy 10 minutes from my house will work. I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster.
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Currently looking into sources for both the extraction & installation tools... Looks like about $200 +/-, from what I've seen so far. I should have been more clear and said it was looking like about $200 (give or take) for both tools combined. The HF puller approach looks like a good idea. I found a video on YouTube last night showing someone pulling a bushing w/ a small OTC-brand puller, so I kinda had that idea in mind already. Nice to see that something I can buy 10 minutes from my house will work. I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster. I just did this on Sunday, that video on you tube is what made me think to grab the puller.
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I think the installation tool is a better approach than driving in the bushing with an intermediate shaft alone. Seems like not using the tool to stabilize the driver in the distributor opening is more likely to result in the bushing not going in straight, which means the shaft won't be truly parallel to the bushing's inner surface, thus wearing it out faster. Trust me on using a stock used oil pump drive gear and shaft to install the bushing, it flat works great I've install hundreds of them that way with no bad results, so far Take a look at the bushings, all the ones I've installed have a taper on the oil pump end and a relief around the flange on top so the taper helps center the bushing to start with and after it is in 1/4 to 1/2 inch it is going in straight, the flange protect the inner bushing from collapsing and interfering on the clearances like I use to have happen when I drove them in with a bronze drift only If you wanted to use a long bolt or a piece of althread to suck the bushing in with nuts and flat washers that will work also Lots of choices on this
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I do have a nice used shaft if I choose to do the install w/o the tool. For anyone that has the Proform tool mentioned above, is it machined properly to not ream out the bushing excessively? Some of the Proform stuff I've had in the past has been pretty sloppy on fit & finish, so I don't trust anything from that company. The other option is to hunt down a "genuine" MIller C-3053, but it may be more expensive. Good news: I have a Harbor Freight 20% Off coupon for one item good through the end of the month. I can get their bushing puller kit for about $60, and like that idea better than using the "official" tool that screws into the old bushing, since the puller won't be cutting threads that could leave brass debris in the engine.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... It is right where you left it
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,,
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad, maybe you put the filter cutter in the trailer? That must be where it is!
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items. Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Getting the outer cover off is easy, cutting the pleated paper element out of the end holder is the harder part, That needs to be done so you can look into the bottom of all the pleats. Do you have a sharp knife or long pointed box cutter? They both work well New motors always make metal
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Let us see what's in the oil filter? Still trying to figure out where I stored the filter cutting tool... Maybe Porky Pig hid it,,,,, Perhaps, but I managed to find it anyway... along with my missing trans tailshaft plug (now sitting beside the OTHER one I bought when I couldn't find it), a fuel pump rebuild kit to go along with the 2nd one I bought (Take a guess why), my rivet gun, touch-up paint for two cars I don't own anymore (yet I still can'tfind it for one I do), and a few additional "Oh, so that's where they were..." items. Now I gotta carve out time to use the cutter... and I bet it's a messy job, having never done it before. Classic. Same thing happens to me so much it no longer affects me. I just know to buy two, maybe three of everything and put them in different places. I end up buying that many anyway. I save time that way.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Mine now! And it's a real Miller C-3053, too. Got the puller kit from HF on Saturday, so the tools are on hand. What I don't have is a new bushing... is this something I should be able to find locally? And, no, I still haven't cut open the filter.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad how much did you spend on the tools?
I have always bought the mopar bushings, but I have about the best dealership for perfomance parts in the west (Glendora Dodge) close by.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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I don't know how much tighter it would get around the shaft after installation, but it's way too loose now. It will compress enough after installation. I imagine there are hundreds of thousands installed and running with no issues. But hey, maybe you got that one in a million that popped out wrong.
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Re: Signs of excessive or abnormal bronze gear wear?
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Brad how much did you spend on the tools?
I have always bought the mopar bushings, but I have about the best dealership for perfomance parts in the west (Glendora Dodge) close by. I'm into the tools for about $125. I'll keep the Pioneer on hand as a backup, but just ordered a 5-pack of Dura-Bond which do require broaching. I want to leave less to chance on the sizing when using the bronze gear.
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