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Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? #2637344
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I'm going to set up a 68 Dodge Crew cab long bed to be a camper hauler, race trailer tow rig. It will be 2 wd a dually rear, 450/4500 level suspension and brakes, exhaust brake, etc. It will be Diesel. So I own 2 potential donor vehicles: 1 is a 98 12 valve ram 3500 4x4 automatic with 150,000 miles; the other is a 97 E350 2 wd dually cube van with a power stroke, with 130,000 miles. Both vehicles have about the same $ value right now.

The cummins would be a no-brainer, except for the fact that it won't fit without either stretching the front fenders and hood (hard/expensive), or putting a doghouse in the firewall. With my long legs and big feet, I don't like the doghouse idea too much. The Powerstroke would fit very well with no body mods.

Dodge doesn't actually built the cummins, and ford didn't butild the Navistar 7.3 powerstroke, so to me, the brand doesn't mean much.

So what are the pros and cons of going either way, other than pissing off all the loyal cummins fans?

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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2637352
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people have successfully put the non intercooled cummins in there. it is tight but it has been done without the doghouse or stretching the nose


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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: ViperDave] #2637354
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Climbing mountains at 20,000 lbs, should I consider running sans intercooler? confused


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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2637362
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After the last 16 years of towing with and modifying my 93 12 valve, I know its capabilities. Can a PS be as reliable for heavy towing? is it easy to crank up the power like a 12 valve?


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I run my VE pump dually non intercooled, 5x14 injectors, maxed pump, 4200 spring, stage 5 pin, s362sxe turbo. at 60psi of boost I do see EGT around 1600, but if you really needed it, you could go to meth injection. could also get creative with a side mount intercooler


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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2637483
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
After the last 16 years of towing with and modifying my 93 12 valve, I know its capabilities. Can a PS be as reliable for heavy towing? is it easy to crank up the power like a 12 valve?


Well let's just look around a bit shall we? I see many, many Fords with Cummins engines swapped into them and there is even a company called "Destroked" that specializes in the swap. What I don't see ever is Power Jokes swapped into Dodges and there is no company specializing in that. Hmm I don't think we need to be a rocket surgeon to figure out why do we?


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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: Guitar Jones] #2637524
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SO the power stroke idea is going over like a fart in church... fart laugh2


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I'd hate to see you wreck the 98 to pull the Cummins out of. I hate the sound of a V8 Diesel, it's just like nails on a chalkboard. Too bad a 4BT is a bit small for what you want to do.


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The 98 3500 is already trashed. The bed is missing, the cab is rusty, the tires are bald, the brakes are shot, the front axle doesn't engage, and the front end is worn out. Too much $ to fix it compared to the value of the cummins, the trans and the dana 80. The powerstroke van is actually in very good shape for it's age, but no one wants to pay much for a 22 year old cube van.

So the 97 powerstroke isn't much of a motor you think? Or is it brand loyalty that's the issue? THe cummins has very little electronics, so that's a plus. I like stuff I can fix and maintain my self, and i'm no computer/electronics wizzard.


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Re: Putting a Powerstroke in a Dodge truck? [Re: Hemi_Joel] #2637532
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II think the old powerstrokes were okay for reliability and can be hopped up a bit so they aren't so doggy. They aren't as good as a Cummins but they're pretty good overall. I'm not kidding when I say I absolutely hate the sound though.


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Originally Posted by RUNCHARGER
I'd hate to see you wreck the 98 to pull the Cummins out of. I hate the sound of a V8 Diesel, it's just like nails on a chalkboard. Too bad a 4BT is a bit small for what you want to do.


Dad and my Uncle ran 8V92 Detroit's for years...pretty sweet sound


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Personal experience with the fuel mileage in a Power Joke is enough for me to say go Cummins. Besides, PJ's make a lot of noise for very little power compared to a Cummins... tsk


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Some of those earlier ones have that stupid indirect injection set up where the injector and fuel gets fired in a small prechamber then on to the piston and combustion chamber. Makes them dirty, stink even worse, slow starting and noisy. They just sound lazy. A little research tells me the 97 is direct injected and uses the stupid high pressure oil pump to fire the injector. If the oil is degraded it doesn't run well or might not even start. Then, if you don't drain the oil manifold when changing injectors you can bend valves and pushrods when you try to start it. Those injectors can also leak fuel into the oil and ruin an engine. This used to be pretty common on the DTT466 engines we used to see at the truck shop.

Some of those vans had a 6.9L in them not the 7.3L.


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Originally Posted by RUNCHARGER
I'd hate to see you wreck the 98 to pull the Cummins out of. I hate the sound of a V8 Diesel, it's just like nails on a chalkboard. Too bad a 4BT is a bit small for what you want to do.


Dad and my Uncle ran 8V92 Detroit's for years...pretty sweet sound


Yeah but those old Detroits were a 2 stroke engine.


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'92 D250 Club Cab CTD, 47RH conversion, pump tweaks, injectors, rear disc and hydroboost conversion.
'74 W200 Crew Cab 360, NP435, D44, D60 and NP205 divorced transfer case. Magnum 5.2 MPI and NV4500 coming soon.
2019 1500 Long Horn Crew Cab 4WD, 5.7 Hemi.
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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
After the last 16 years of towing with and modifying my 93 12 valve, I know its capabilities. Can a PS be as reliable for heavy towing? is it easy to crank up the power like a 12 valve?


Sounds to me like you already know the correct answer. Reliability, mileage, and easy to crank up the power.

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After reading all the reply's, I have to jump in on this. First off im gonna tell you I am VERY familiar with the 7.3 power stroke. VERY. The 97 7.3 you have is direct injected and uses a high pressure oil system to fire the injectors. The reason I am so familiar is I have repaired what seems like every one in the north east. Not to say it is not a good engine but it has its issues. Injectors are not cheap but not crazy expensive. also there are 8 not 6 like the cummins. the non electronic cummins is very reliable except for the pump which is not cheap. the 7.3 has many places for oil leaks. it has a high pressure oil system to run the injectors as well as a harness that is problematic with age and a glow plug system that it needs to start . To swap in the 7.3 you will need to use all the electronics from the ford and adapt that stuff to your old dodge truck. that means both the ford PCM and the IDM that runs the engine. The 7.3 will make plenty of power but is very thirsty. I cant believe that the cummins wont fit in that engine compartment it fits in my 89? then the year after that dodge figured out how to fit an intercooler in too. How deep is the engine bay in that year truck? I think the cummins would be a better swap but the 7.3 is not undoable. Just a lot more work and potently more expensive in repairs down the road. You have a lot of thinking to do and personally I think its a waste of time and money. Just go buy a newer truck with a diesel in it that will do all the things you want. Good luck


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Well, the current issue (May) of Mopar Collectors Guide has an article about a Farmer-Son duo putting TWO 5.9 Cummins with 4 turbochargers in a '70 Sweptline. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison. The deed happened in Illinoisy (those Farm guys get bored in the Winter and start cutting and welding on something and there is nobody around to tell them it cannot be done!). The Truck did go to SEMA. sawzall wrench


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Just was trouble shooting a 6.0 POwer Stroke (POS) this weekend. No pressure from the High Pressure Oil Pump (HPOP) which is mounted in the valley of the engine so everything on top needs to come off to fix it frown

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I have seen probably a dozen 61-71 Sweptlines with Cummins engine in them. Not a hard swap, and they will fit with some creative cooling placement.


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