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Victor or Trickflow intake #2634940
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I'm going to a single plane intake this year and I wonder if there is a big difference in either manifold. I have an Edelbrock Performer RPM on the engine now but I am looking down the road at EFI and that doesn't really work well with a dual plane intake. There is also Speedmaster intake that looks a lot like the Victor but has EFI bungs installed but they are out of stock right now.

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Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2634948
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I prefer the Trick Flow intake over the Victor. Get if from Hughes Engines with the deep port match and you're ready to go.

Port injection is nice but a ton more money. You should be able to put a Sniper kit on the Trick Flow intake and have everything you need.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635088
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I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in
The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead.

The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad.
While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there
(Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's
Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way.


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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in
The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead.

The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad.
While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there
(Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's
Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way.


Have you ever dyno tested with and without the "wings" you recommend removing? I have.

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I have an un-molested Super Victor that we may put on if we get a 1150 to go with it.
Right now, an Indy dual plane Max wedge resides on the 505 with a 950.

Would you please tell us what the results were to your experiments?

Thanks, Joe

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We Run the Trick Flow and im happy with it.
From the fwiw/opinion department : On our "type" engines, i would stay away from port style injection and use the Sniper or other carb flange type injection for the simple reason of intake air density .
You don't get any intake cooling with injectors below the air intake .
With the carb flange mounting EFI units , you do get that intake /air cooling and thus air densities are higher, air flow inproved.
There are dyno session papers and videos online to gather data from.

Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by LaRoy Engines
Originally Posted by ZIPPY
I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in
The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead.

The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad.
While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there
(Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's
Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way.


Have you ever dyno tested with and without the "wings" you recommend removing? I have.

So have I, and we've both posted our results on an older thread. When I did it, I picked up about 10 HP on a 600 HP 440. As I recall, your test on a different build showed a loss. shruggy

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635332
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Good luck getting a Victor Intake for a 440, Been on back order from Summit for months.

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Didn't get mine from Summit but had no problem getting one. Ordered it 2 weeks ago and had it 2 days later.

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Well it looks like the Trick Flow intake is the one for me. I will be replacing my Solid Indy valley plate with a 2 piece unit like I should have done when I built this engine. The billet Trick Flow part looks like it should fit with Indy heads,they offer two styles looks like one for the 240 and one for the 270. I will take my Indy plate to Summit and compare it and see if it will work. I'm not looking for huge gains over the Performer RPM just something different to go with the new cam.
Thanks for the replies.
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Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: BradH] #2635468
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I don't know why he would care, but in an attempt to be human and friendly about it I've sent LaRoy some background.


If anyone wants to send me another Victor 383 manifold that hasn't had this work done, I'll test it right away laugh


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As cast, there is a big difference on the flow bench
Have not compared them on the dyno as of yet.
But there is a clear advantage to the Trick flow as some of the work needed to make the Edelbrock work better is already done

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Not to " muddy the waters" or steal this post, but how would the Mopar 337 manifold compare if thrown into the mix ?

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Originally Posted by RalleyA12
Not to " muddy the waters" or steal this post, but how would the Mopar 337 manifold compare if thrown into the mix ?

Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, since the 337 is a MW intake and the others mentioned are standard port models.

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Originally Posted by Dunnuck Racing
As cast, there is a big difference on the flow bench
Have not compared them on the dyno as of yet.
But there is a clear advantage to the Trick flow as some of the work needed to make the Edelbrock work better is already done

I had intended to include a comparison of the Trick Flow RB intake against a Victor in my last dyno session. However, the port alignment was a good bit off between the two intakes and I didn't have the time (nor want to spend the $) to get them milled to equalize the differences.

FWIW, I also believe there are some things about the as-cast Trick Flow that give it an advantage over an unmodified Victor.

EDIT: Based on the pics of the Speedmaster intake I've seen, I suspect that one of those would require a good amount of work to even be the equivalent of an unmodified Victor.

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I just pulled this engine off the dyno. 610 hp and 630 ft-lbs of torque with the Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads. This is a pump gas engine with 239/245 hyd roller cam. Might be one of the best street engines I've ever run on the dyno. What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
I just pulled this engine off the dyno. 610 hp and 630 ft-lbs of torque with the Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads. This is a pump gas engine with 239/245 hyd roller cam. Might be one of the best street engines I've ever run on the dyno. What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself.


I will be curious to see the reliability of the hyd roller cam. I tried one in the street car (ran 13.3 at 4525 lbs) and I floated the valves. It really wanted to rev well over 6000 and somewhere around 6000 it was floating. I am installing the cam in my spare motor.

What RPM are you running?


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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in
The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead.

The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad.
While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there
(Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's
Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way.


So the price on the Victor has dropped to $307 so I'm thinking of going that route and do some work on it. Summit kind of makes me mad because they won't place the order on the Trick Flow until they hit their discount number. I can have the Victor next week but they cant get me a Trick Flow until next month.

Gus beer


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That’s funny.

They have to have so many on order to get their discount from TF.......... which is owned by Summit.

So many on order before they can discount it to themselves.


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Originally Posted by AndyF
... What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself.

I don't see that option on their web site. Dare I ask how much Hughes adds to the cost of a $350 intake for their "deep port match"? shruggy

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