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Victor or Trickflow intake #2634940 03/20/19 07:06 PM 03/20/19 07:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	I'm going to a single plane intake this year and I wonder if there is a big difference in either manifold. I have an Edelbrock Performer RPM on the engine now but I am looking down the road at EFI and that doesn't really work well with a dual plane intake. There is also Speedmaster intake that looks a lot like the Victor but has EFI bungs installed but they are out of stock right now. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2634948 03/20/19 07:52 PM 03/20/19 07:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon	I prefer the Trick Flow intake over the Victor. Get if from Hughes Engines with the deep port match and you're ready to go. Port injection is nice but a ton more money. You should be able to put a Sniper kit on the Trick Flow intake and have everything you need.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635088 03/21/19 08:19 AM 03/21/19 08:19 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan	I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead. The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad. While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there (Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way. Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: ZIPPY] #2635110 03/21/19 09:22 AM 03/21/19 09:22 AM
Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 559 Idaho L LaRoy Engines mopar
LaRoy Engines mopar L Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 559 Idaho	Originally Posted by ZIPPY I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead. The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad. While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there (Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way. Have you ever dyno tested with and without the "wings" you recommend removing? I have.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: LaRoy Engines] #2635127 03/21/19 10:23 AM 03/21/19 10:23 AM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,317 Ohio J jlatessa pro stock
jlatessa pro stock J Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 1,317 Ohio	I have an un-molested Super Victor that we may put on if we get a 1150 to go with it. Right now, an Indy dual plane Max wedge resides on the 505 with a 950. Would you please tell us what the results were to your experiments? Thanks, Joe

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635205 03/21/19 12:47 PM 03/21/19 12:47 PM
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RustyM mopar R Joined: Feb 2017 Posts: 566 Texas	We Run the Trick Flow and im happy with it. From the fwiw/opinion department : On our "type" engines, i would stay away from port style injection and use the Sniper or other carb flange type injection for the simple reason of intake air density . You don't get any intake cooling with injectors below the air intake . With the carb flange mounting EFI units , you do get that intake /air cooling and thus air densities are higher, air flow inproved. There are dyno session papers and videos online to gather data from. Hope this helps.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: LaRoy Engines] #2635322 03/21/19 07:30 PM 03/21/19 07:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Originally Posted by LaRoy Engines Originally Posted by ZIPPY I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead. The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad. While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there (Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way. Have you ever dyno tested with and without the "wings" you recommend removing? I have. So have I, and we've both posted our results on an older thread. When I did it, I picked up about 10 HP on a 600 HP 440. As I recall, your test on a different build showed a loss.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635332 03/21/19 08:01 PM 03/21/19 08:01 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado 451Mopar master
451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	Good luck getting a Victor Intake for a 440, Been on back order from Summit for months.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: 451Mopar] #2635350 03/21/19 08:39 PM 03/21/19 08:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,098 Massillon, Ohio C cudatom super stock
cudatom super stock C Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,098 Massillon, Ohio	Didn't get mine from Summit but had no problem getting one. Ordered it 2 weeks ago and had it 2 days later. Ok

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: cudatom] #2635390 03/21/19 09:53 PM 03/21/19 09:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Well it looks like the Trick Flow intake is the one for me. I will be replacing my Solid Indy valley plate with a 2 piece unit like I should have done when I built this engine. The billet Trick Flow part looks like it should fit with Indy heads,they offer two styles looks like one for the 240 and one for the 270. I will take my Indy plate to Summit and compare it and see if it will work. I'm not looking for huge gains over the Performer RPM just something different to go with the new cam. Thanks for the replies. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: BradH] #2635468 03/22/19 08:52 AM 03/22/19 08:52 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,840 S.E. Michigan	I don't know why he would care, but in an attempt to be human and friendly about it I've sent LaRoy some background. If anyone wants to send me another Victor 383 manifold that hasn't had this work done, I'll test it right away Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2635505 03/22/19 10:22 AM 03/22/19 10:22 AM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana Dunnuck Racing master
Dunnuck Racing master Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 3,300 Northern Indiana	As cast, there is a big difference on the flow bench Have not compared them on the dyno as of yet. But there is a clear advantage to the Trick flow as some of the work needed to make the Edelbrock work better is already done www.dunnuckracing.com

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #2635759 03/23/19 12:45 AM 03/23/19 12:45 AM
Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 529 Marilla, New York R RalleyA12 mopar
RalleyA12 mopar R Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 529 Marilla, New York	Not to " muddy the waters" or steal this post, but how would the Mopar 337 manifold compare if thrown into the mix ?

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: RalleyA12] #2635898 03/23/19 11:49 AM 03/23/19 11:49 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Originally Posted by RalleyA12 Not to " muddy the waters" or steal this post, but how would the Mopar 337 manifold compare if thrown into the mix ? Not exactly an apples-to-apples comparison, since the 337 is a MW intake and the others mentioned are standard port models.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #2635902 03/23/19 11:59 AM 03/23/19 11:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Originally Posted by Dunnuck Racing As cast, there is a big difference on the flow bench Have not compared them on the dyno as of yet. But there is a clear advantage to the Trick flow as some of the work needed to make the Edelbrock work better is already done I had intended to include a comparison of the Trick Flow RB intake against a Victor in my last dyno session. However, the port alignment was a good bit off between the two intakes and I didn't have the time (nor want to spend the $) to get them milled to equalize the differences. FWIW, I also believe there are some things about the as-cast Trick Flow that give it an advantage over an unmodified Victor. EDIT: Based on the pics of the Speedmaster intake I've seen, I suspect that one of those would require a good amount of work to even be the equivalent of an unmodified Victor. Last edited by BradH; 03/23/19 12:03 PM.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: BradH] #2635991 03/23/19 04:23 PM 03/23/19 04:23 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon	I just pulled this engine off the dyno. 610 hp and 630 ft-lbs of torque with the Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads. This is a pump gas engine with 239/245 hyd roller cam. Might be one of the best street engines I've ever run on the dyno. What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself.

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: AndyF] #2636000 03/23/19 04:40 PM 03/23/19 04:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,270 Morrow, OH markz528 master
markz528 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,270 Morrow, OH	Originally Posted by AndyF I just pulled this engine off the dyno. 610 hp and 630 ft-lbs of torque with the Trick Flow intake and Trick Flow heads. This is a pump gas engine with 239/245 hyd roller cam. Might be one of the best street engines I've ever run on the dyno. What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself. I will be curious to see the reliability of the hyd roller cam. I tried one in the street car (ran 13.3 at 4525 lbs) and I floated the valves. It really wanted to rev well over 6000 and somewhere around 6000 it was floating. I am installing the cam in my spare motor. What RPM are you running? 67 Coronet 500 9.610 @ 139.20 mph 67 Coronet 500 (street car) 14.82 @ 94 mph 69 GTX (clone) - build in progress......

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: ZIPPY] #2641266 04/04/19 06:26 PM 04/04/19 06:26 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Originally Posted by ZIPPY I have only ran the Victor personally but I can tell you the trick flow is cast alot cleaner in The plenum area. If the trick flow was available and affordable at the time I probably would have got it instead. The victor is nice but has 4 restrictive "wings" cast into the corners at the carb pad. While it's not a whole lot of work to get rid of them and blend a little while you're in there (Highly recommended), it's time spent. Nothing wrong with it once it's Prepared.... but it really shouldn't be cast that way. So the price on the Victor has dropped to $307 so I'm thinking of going that route and do some work on it. Summit kind of makes me mad because they won't place the order on the Trick Flow until they hit their discount number. I can have the Victor next week but they cant get me a Trick Flow until next month. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2641281 04/04/19 07:16 PM 04/04/19 07:16 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,492 So. Burlington, Vt. F fast68plymouth I Live Here
fast68plymouth I Live Here F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 14,492 So. Burlington, Vt.	That’s funny. They have to have so many on order to get their discount from TF.......... which is owned by Summit. So many on order before they can discount it to themselves. 68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: AndyF] #2641290 04/04/19 07:52 PM 04/04/19 07:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Originally Posted by AndyF ... What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself. I don't see that option on their web site. Dare I ask how much Hughes adds to the cost of a $350 intake for their "deep port match"?

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fast68plymouth] #2641291 04/04/19 07:53 PM 04/04/19 07:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually B BradH Taking time off to work on my car
BradH Taking time off to work on my car B Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,439 Val-haul-ass... eventually	Originally Posted by fast68plymouth That’s funny. They have to have so many on order to get their discount from TF.......... which is owned by Summit. So many on order before they can discount it to themselves. OK, so I'm not the only one who read that and thought: What???

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: BradH] #2641382 04/04/19 11:25 PM 04/04/19 11:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon A AndyF I Win
AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 30,994 Oregon	Originally Posted by BradH Originally Posted by AndyF ... What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself. I don't see that option on their web site. Dare I ask how much Hughes adds to the cost of a $350 intake for their "deep port match"? You'll have to call and ask. They have a DPM option on some of their intakes but not all. I believe that is just because they haven't updated the website with all of the available options. I called them and asked for a Trick Flow intake with the Deep Port Match and they said no problem, be a couple of weeks. So they can do it but it isn't listed on the website for the TF intake. Here is an example: http://www.hughesengines.com/Index/...e=partnumber&page=2&partid=27651

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: AndyF] #2641434 04/05/19 07:36 AM 04/05/19 07:36 AM
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Dart451 mopar D Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 667 IL	You need a rb or low deck. I have a low deck trick flow intake I would sell

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: markz528] #2641561 04/05/19 12:43 PM 04/05/19 12:43 PM
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451Mopar master Joined: May 2008 Posts: 5,399 Aurora, Colorado	My 440 source headed 505 has a hydraulic roller about the same size as Andys. Used Isky 8005A valve springs and haven't noticed any valve float up to 6,000 RPM. I have the rev-limiter set at 6,000 so I never ran it past that, but it does rev really fast and easy to 6,000? The Trick flow 240 headed 505 we are building for a friend, has a slightly larger 242 @ 0.050" solid roller, and using the solid roller valve spring / Ti retainer version of the Trick Flow heads. Right now the car that engine is going into has no rev-limiter, so it may "accidently" see over 6,000 RPM?

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: BradH] #2641585 04/05/19 02:09 PM 04/05/19 02:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Originally Posted by BradH Originally Posted by AndyF ... What I'm doing these days is ordering the Trick Flow intake from Hughes Engines with their deep port match already done. That way I don't have to mess with it. Hughes has a CNC program on hand as well as the correct fixture so I don't see any reason to eat chips on my bench when they have it figured out. I highly recommend using the Hughes deep port match even if you're planning on doing some plenum work yourself. Might as well get the dirty work done by them and just do the fun stuff yourself. I don't see that option on their web site. Dare I ask how much Hughes adds to the cost of a $350 intake for their "deep port match"? It looks like it would be over 5 bills for the intake without shipping for the basic deal. I still need pushrods,springs,retainers,gaskets,and misc. There always seems to be a lot of misc. I just don't think I need a $500 intake at this point Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2642057 04/06/19 07:45 PM 04/06/19 07:45 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Well it turns out Moparts to the rescue again Fran(10SecGTX) was looking for a dual plane intake for his wagon and had a Victor on the GTX so we made a deal Nice when friends come together and everybody gets what they need. Thanks again Fran now lets get that HEMI box in the wagon Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2646067 04/17/19 01:51 PM 04/17/19 01:51 PM
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10secGTX top fuel Joined: May 2003 Posts: 2,117 Cleveland Ohio	Timing is everything Gus .....Any time, I can Help.... soon to be rowing gears in wagon

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2647446 04/21/19 01:25 AM 04/21/19 01:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md 3 383man Too Many Posts
383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy Well it turns out Moparts to the rescue again Fran(10SecGTX) was looking for a dual plane intake for his wagon and had a Victor on the GTX so we made a deal Nice when friends come together and everybody gets what they need. Thanks again Fran now lets get that HEMI box in the wagon Gus Gus will you be running your car with the Victor intake and a carb still on it?? If so I will be interested in the results ? I believe our engines are close in build and I use the Indy dual plane and have been thinking of trying the MP 337 single plane one day as its about the only single plane that will fit under my hood. So I would love to see how the single plane works on your combo ? Ron

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: 383man] #2647575 04/21/19 02:52 PM 04/21/19 02:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here
fourgearsavoy OP I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,552 Rittman Ohio	Originally Posted by 383man Originally Posted by fourgearsavoy Well it turns out Moparts to the rescue again Fran(10SecGTX) was looking for a dual plane intake for his wagon and had a Victor on the GTX so we made a deal Nice when friends come together and everybody gets what they need. Thanks again Fran now lets get that HEMI box in the wagon Gus Gus will you be running your car with the Victor intake and a carb still on it?? If so I will be interested in the results ? I believe our engines are close in build and I use the Indy dual plane and have been thinking of trying the MP 337 single plane one day as its about the only single plane that will fit under my hood. So I would love to see how the single plane works on your combo ? Ron Ron I hope this deal fits under my hood but maybe it's time to put the MaxWedge scoop on the car. I have one in my parts stash I just need to have it painted and carve a hole in my hood. I'm going with a new cam 616/620 lift 260/264 duration also so it wont be a direct comparison to the dual plane. I'm going to fatten it up a little bit just to be safe. I also jumped from a 3.54 to a 4.10 and that should keep my low end strong. I will still have to order some pushrods because from what I've read about EDM lifters they are slightly taller than the standard flat tappets. The car "should" go quicker and faster but we'll see Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Victor or Trickflow intake [Re: fourgearsavoy] #2647584 04/21/19 04:13 PM 04/21/19 04:13 PM
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68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	Anyone of experience with a Dominator on a trickflow? 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

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