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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: ric3xrt] #2631003
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I already forgot about the hellcrate...Scratch my earlier comment and do that. Cheapest, meanest, trouble free bang for the buck.I would imagine there would still be a few tricks you could add later to keep it interesting.

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Originally Posted by csk
If I could do it over, A Gen III Hemi would be my choice, Hellcrate


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Ya I would do a Helcrate too. Double eye roll 🙄 YAWN. Wake me up when it’s over. Man I’m sure glad I grew up in the old hot rodding days.


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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2631063
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Ya I would do a Helcrate too. Double eye roll 🙄 YAWN. Wake me up when it’s over. Man I’m sure glad I grew up in the old hot rodding days.



You and me both. I hear all the claptrap about the GIII but I don't see much. It won't be long and the Italians will [censored] on the support for that too.


Just because you think it won't make it true. Horsepower is KING. To dispute this is stupid. C. Alston
Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: CSK] #2631091
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Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by AndyF
The Sniper will support up to 700 hp and it is cheap but a Terminator kit gives you a lot more room for growth.


A 4150 Sniper , 700 hp, Really,


Curious about this reply, apologies if I'm reading it wrong but - if combo ABC produces 700hp with a carburetor, what makes you doubt that fuel injection can't or won't produce the same amount of power?


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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by AndyF
The Sniper will support up to 700 hp and it is cheap but a Terminator kit gives you a lot more room for growth.


A 4150 Sniper , 700 hp, Really,


Curious about this reply, apologies if I'm reading it wrong but - if combo ABC produces 700hp with a carburetor, what makes you doubt that fuel injection can't or won't produce the same amount of power?


Not saying in is not possible, it is done with a carb. If I was shooting for a real 700 hp, a 4500 would get there much easier.


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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: RMCHRGR] #2631140
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Originally Posted by RMCHRGR
Originally Posted by csk
Originally Posted by AndyF
The Sniper will support up to 700 hp and it is cheap but a Terminator kit gives you a lot more room for growth.


A 4150 Sniper , 700 hp, Really,


Curious about this reply, apologies if I'm reading it wrong but - if combo ABC produces 700hp with a carburetor, what makes you doubt that fuel injection can't or won't produce the same amount of power?


You're correct, EFI will get you there. We ran a bunch of back to back dyno pulls last summer with my low deck 470 engine. The Sniper setup lost a little bit of power over a 1050 Dominator but it still made well over 700 hp. This was a pump gas engine with Trick Flow 270 heads and a 260/264 solid roller. 700 hp is about the end of the road for the Sniper since injector duty cycle gets up into the 90's but as long as you have a good fuel pump it will do it.

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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: AndyF] #2631144
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HellCrate would be my first choice for the type of build you are looking at.


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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: pittsburghracer] #2631154
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Originally Posted by pittsburghracer
Ya I would do a Helcrate too. Double eye roll 🙄 YAWN. Wake me up when it’s over. Man I’m sure glad I grew up in the old hot rodding days.


I am from the AWESOME old days also John, as you can see my old obsolete Toy 110 Super Flow bench, just my opinion because of block issues with all of our old stuff.

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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: CSK] #2631167
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Your Charger would be cool with a stroker Hemi and should easily run mid 10's with a nice Hemi stoker. But the question is that is your pockets deep enough. Myself I built a mild wedge stroker for my 63 with my stock 440 block as I went with a 4.15 crank for 493 cubes. I knew I would only race once or twice a year as my car is 99% a street car and I really only run it hard at the track. Its run 10.70's so far in full street trim as in fact I have never uncapped it or had race gas in it. Its been in my car driving on the street and raced some since 2011 with no problems at all ever with it. You could build a nice 500 plus wedge stroker and run 10's most likey much cheaper then a Hemi build. But a Hemi build in your charger would be awesome. Good luck what ever you decide. Ron


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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: 383man] #2631188
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won't need anything too exotic to run mid 10's , but you will need it well sorted . And accept the compromises to be made .
I went low10.50s @ 3690lbs with a solid flat tappet that was quite happy on the street , was only .600 lift , 505ci . Pump gas 11:1. Stock port CNC stealth heads , 4150 carb . This was short shifted @ 6000
But the block gave up at that point .
That is the biggest issue you will have to overcome .
My current 440ci has gone 10.70 with only .520 lift solid flat tappet . Again short shifting @6000
Converter and gearing are critical . And a big part of the compromise .
Pick a goal and build back from that .

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Re: 1st Post What would you build? [Re: tex013] #2631275
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Hellephant crate to be more specific.

That holley 4500 sniper looks good too. Says it can support 1500hp, and still self learn.

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