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What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD #2627861
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Looking for recommendations as to what ignition systems you guys are running. I am almost ready to install my 383-4speed combo in my RR. I have used a standard Mopar electronic distributor before with the orange box, its ok. I really don't want to run an MSD box because I want the engine compartment to look stock(I know I could hide it) I',ve seen the revinator orange box, flame thrower billet distributors, and others. Who's had what experiences with what. I am going to drive this car, drag race this car. It's around 500-550 HP.

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Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: Black 69 Beeper] #2627872
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For 550 real hp I would probably just default to msd.

For a good alternative/not pricey ignition have had pretty good luck with mopar distributor/gm hei module (tiny, super easy to hide), and Ford TFI coil. Right now it's installed on a nearly stock 440 in my C body and I really like it. I will test it more as time goes on.

Here's a thread about it.
https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2621701/1.html


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Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: ZIPPY] #2627918
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I have never used an MSD in any car I've owned in the past 42 years. I've run the MP distributor with a stock box or a chrome box recurved and dialed in even in a 10 second street car.

On the car's that came with stock dual points I then used Pertronix conversions in them and all was well also.

I loved the Rev in nator in my old Satellite that came with electronic ignition because the Black box with a Chrysler Electronic sticker on it and an ECS letter transfer (green letters) on a Black Rev in nator coil is easy to hide and the system works great and has a rev limiter.

In the 68-70 cars you can easily mount any ECU to the heater box bracket under the dash and send the wiring out through your air grabber hole, put the proper distributor tag on the distributor to hid it somewhat too. Again use the proper black coil for the system and put the ECS dry transfer on it and most would never notice.

Lastly this time with my 71 Super Bee I bought a new distributor from Rich E. on E-bay along with his Rev 7000 ECU put a FBO limiter plate in it and springs and was very impressed with it's operation and quality not to mention the price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/223426178580?

So I guess what I'm saying is you have many choices and there is always a way to camouflage them and also not have to drill holes in that beautiful firewall.

Ron

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I like the FBO ignition module/coil combo. zero issues with it. other than that a simple Standard LX101 box works. I quit using any of the boxes that require the wiring stand offs at the coil.

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: RJS] #2627936
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Originally Posted By RJS
I have never used an MSD in any car I've owned in the past 42 years. I've run the MP distributor with a stock box or a chrome box recurved and dialed in even in a 10 second street car.

On the car's that came with stock dual points I then used Pertronix conversions in them and all was well also.

Ron


iagree

And will Add the simplicity of troubleshooting along with the availability of parts is another big plus IMO
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Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: Black 69 Beeper] #2628164
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stock dist. and chrome box done !

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: Black 69 Beeper] #2628211
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I’ve installed four PerTronix systems in the last four cars. They are easy to hide and work fantastic. The last mopar ECU system I replaced, the owner said the car started better and ran crisper.

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In my drag car I ran several different systems. Stock with chrome box, Jacobs system with stock distributor, Crane system, MSD system. All of them started right up, idled clean, and there was no appreciable difference in e.t. or m.p.h. The Crane and MSD did have some extra options that made them kind of nice like start retard, rev control, and nitrous retard compatibility. I have not tried any of the new stuff from the last decade.

The MSD E-Cruve distributors look interesting for the simplicity of dialing in the advance. Of course this can also be done with a stock unit, but it does take a little bit of an effort if you need more or less mechanical advance than what is already built into the OEM dizzy.

Bottom line is most systems are going to be very comparable in performance. Examine if there are additional capability you want with your system and then find one that provides it within a budget you want.

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I'm happy with the rev-n-nator on my car. Smooth and quick start. Never miss a beat!!!


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Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: Black 69 Beeper] #2628285
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I still run points.

Nothing simpler, nothing easier.

Works fine if you maintain them.


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Pertronix digital HP is only box I know of in $200 range with start up timing delay, and has other features too.

I plan to add one shortly. Mainly for start up timing delay and rev limiter. In summer after some heat soak, and 16 or more initial, that 440 will be hard to crank without it.

Yea, you can add a kill button off the tach wire to get it spin. One more thing to remember to use though.

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I run Pertronix in the cars that I want to look stock, no problems. Igniter II with their coil and a dummy ballast resistor so I can grab 12v right from the coil. Just follow the directions and DO NOT remove the green tape from the rotor!

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I've used Mallory Unilite distributor - which works fine doesn't look stock though. Could probably pick up performance with the Mallory box. I like chrome box and mopar distributor all right running 2 like that now. I have a 440 with MSD occasional use starts up runs good without a choke. I liked small block dual point and hated points with old slant six cars. You might want to
figure out a good hiding spot for the MSD. Inside the car away from engine heat. Actually that would be a good idea for the chrome box also lol.

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A vote for HEI module, running with Stock electronic distributor and summit e-core coil.

Faster starting and removed stumble at throttle tip in.

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: Supercuda] #2628399
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Originally Posted By Supercuda
I still run points.

Nothing simpler, nothing easier.

Works fine if you maintain them.



The best ignition upgrade a guy could do! I’ve swapped all my cars back to points. Never been walking with points. 3 times stranded with the other “upgrades” Maintenance is the key, and if you drive a few thousand miles a year then the maintenance is a quick look. Thanks.

Anybody in the market for a MSD box and B engine distributor?

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: NANKET] #2628433
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In regard to points, the old Jacobs ign bible has about 3/4 of it devoted to points (it was definitely worth acquiring), not sure what year it came out.


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I daily drive my '66 Plymouth Fury III w/ 383 4bbl on the stock points system - works great and zero issues over the last 7 years

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BTW the book RR refers to is called "The doctor's step-by-step guide to optimizing your ignition" by Dr. Christopher A. Jacobs - great read!

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: jeebis44] #2628909
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Hey that was my 1000th post! How about that?

Re: What ignition systems r u running 383 other than Mopar-MSD [Re: jeebis44] #2628952
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that is a milestone worth celebrating. On the ign bible I didn't know if there was a newer Jacobs version or not (I veaguely remember a reference to that iirc).


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