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What would cause my starter to break? #262372
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440 with a mini starter.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: HealthServices] #262373
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made in china?

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: mopars4ever] #262374
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Stu had a similar failure last week, but the extra part bounced around the bellhousing some...

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: mopars4ever] #262375
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I thought they were all made in china

Just don't want the new one to break too.

I found his post. Funny how quickly the threads get pushed back.

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Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: HealthServices] #262376
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i had one do that....no idea what happened...took it back to the store and they weren't going to exchange me or even give me a core fee, but they did - i still had their original box

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: landon1] #262377
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Was it a rebuilt one or a new one? How long had it been installed?

Did it rub up against the block? Wasn't there some deal about mini starters and big blocks. Lie you had to grind the block for clearance or get a certain mini starter?

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mine was a standard rebuilt piece from the parts store...only been on maybe 6 months at the most

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: autoxcuda] #262379
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Quote:

Was it a rebuilt one or a new one? How long had it been installed?

Did it rub up against the block? Wasn't there some deal about mini starters and big blocks. Lie you had to grind the block for clearance or get a certain mini starter?




Thats a good point. If there was ANY contact with the block the starter bolts could have induced tremendous pressure on the snout as it was tightened down.

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #262380
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Check out this thread from the tech archives. It might give you an idea. http://www.moparts.org/Tech/Archive/elec/1.html

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: autoxcuda] #262381
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I have these wonderful Hedman 2-1/8 headers that touched the starter.



So when I replaced it this last time I dented the header so they would not touch. and wrapped the tube with heatwrap.




Last long Mini touch but did not break. This short mini did not touch but broke.

I just put a RobbMC starter in today.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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I thought they were all made in china


Nope, just the cheap junk ones

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: mopars4ever] #262383
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Well the RobbMC starter looks pretty nice. I forgot but I think they use the Hitachi motor vs. the Nippondenso.



Hopefully I won't have this problem again they certainly don't look like they will get heat soaked. The big plus is they can be clocked into any position as long as it does not hit something.


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: HealthServices] #262384
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this is the third (or maybe 4th) post ive seen about broken snouts on the mini starter

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: HealthServices] #262385
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Quote:

Well the RobbMC starter looks pretty nice. I forgot but I think they use the Hitachi motor vs. the Nippondenso.

Hopefully I won't have this problem again they certainly don't look like they will get heat soaked. The big plus is they can be clocked into any position as long as it does not hit something.




Thanks HS. We use US designed Remy (f.k.a. Delco Remy) motors and solenoids. Everything forward of the motor is our own design.

You should have a lot more header clearance with our starter. Not only can you rotate the solenoid to any position, but our motor is directly behind the pinion gear on the starter (rather than offset to one side). This puts the motor closer to the block, approximately where the solenoid is on your old Denso style starter.


Designing a better mouse trap always seems to lead to the evolution of smarter mice. www.robbmcperformance.com
Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: RobbMc] #262386
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I got one likes that and two broken ring gears. made in china and was misaligned.

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: HealthServices] #262387
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One issue I have noticed is the top hole is much bigger than a clearance hole and if that top bolt loosens it will allow the starter to walk some, but even the gear reductions are like this so is it an issue ???

Hopefully the rob mc addresses this or at leat what looks like a billet snout is stronger than the cast one on the mini. ???

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: JohnRR] #262388
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If it makes you feel better I just pulled mine off yesterday when I was changing headers.......cracked on the snout! Luckily I had a back-up ready to go.

Always have an extra starter!

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been there, done that! the top hole on those starters is too large for a 7/16 stud or bolt. sleeve the top hole for a 7/16 fastener and the problem is cured. i think what happens is the starter kicks or torques over from a hard start or backfire and the big top hole lets it rotate enough to snap the locating snout. the snout is just a locater and isn't meant to carry a load.

Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: JohnRR] #262390
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Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
Re: What would cause my starter to break? [Re: RobbMc] #262391
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mini long

and

mini short



RobMC

Tons more room


This is the same 2-1/8" header tube!


Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.
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