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73 Charger running NOW!!! All help appreciated #2619920
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https://www.dropbox.com/s/pcqefbefh9kuais/Video%20Feb%2011%2C%2014%2037%2033.mp4?dl=0

So it’s stated it’s carb cleaner not starting fluid I’m spraying in the carb to get it to fire.

This is a link to the video of what I’m dealing with right now. This 73 Charger was put away at least 10 years ago maybe 13 in the same state I have it right now. I know it has a vacuum cap missing on the metering block. I just put the FBO ignition on it today hoping that it would just fire up but all I get is the stuttering. I think I’m gonna pull the distributor cap and check the gap. The fuel pump is currently not running as I pulled the fuel line off it to ensure I don’t get any garbage in it. Any other ideas what I should look for?

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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2619954
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I'd suggest you change ALL the fuel in the car (gasoline goes bad in about 6 months) and go back to basics. Check your firing order, distributor rotation, cap/rotor/plugs. Best of Luck!


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2619976
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I disconnected the fuel pump so it had no power. That was trying to run on straight carb cleaner. I didn’t even think about firing order. My parents let my ex brother in law jack with it so who knows what all isn’t right. Today I found the carb wasn’t bolted down.


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2619985
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Are you simply trying to make sure it WILL run at this point? I've never used carb cleaner that a car would/could run on (solely). I would suggest you put some gas in something akin to a ketchup squirt bottle and have someone slowly squirt THAT into the carb while you're cranking.

Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: Fat_Mike] #2620010
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I'd fill the carb bowl with (fresh) gas & run the pump inlet into a can of (fresh) gas & cap the carb nipple & I would preoil it after all this time & oil the cyls. I'm assuming it ran when parked so I would disable the starter (pull the yellow wire at the starter relay) & see if your connections are correct & everything is being fed in "crank" & "run" that should be. I'm assuming the dist has been moved so confirm basic timeing (15 BTDC is good)


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: RapidRobert] #2620029
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Originally Posted By RapidRobert
I'd fill the carb bowl with (fresh) gas & run the pump inlet into a can of (fresh) gas & cap the carb nipple & I would preoil it after all this time & oil the cyls. I'm assuming it ran when parked so I would disable the starter (pull the yellow wire at the starter relay) & see if your connections are correct & everything is being fed in "crank" & "run" that should be. I'm assuming the dist has been moved so confirm basic timeing (15 BTDC is good)



It did not run when parked. My ex brother in law drove it, f-Ed it up and assured my parents he could fix it. He didn’t fix it and it has sat 10-13 years in a barn untouched. When I got it off the trailer after buying it from my parents and dragging it home I replaced the battery, ignition box and coil (now FBO stuff), and bypassed the ballast resistor. I bought new fuel filters and fuel line to ensure it’s not got fuel issues too, those have not been put on and I didn’t have the fuel pump turned on to avoid junking the carb, pump or regulator.


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2620060
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It may be wrong to assume that you have oil in, and an oil filter on the motor? Spin the oil pump to prime the oil system.

I'd bring #1 up on compression and make sure it didn't jump the timing chain.
Pull the plugs ans put a little oil into each cylinder, then spin the motor over with the starter. Bring # 1 back up on compression, install new plugs, and be sure the ignition wires are connected to the proper cylinders, in the proper rotation, and in the proper position. Check for spark. If you have compression, spark at the right place at the right time, all you should need is fuel, use gas. Fill the carb float bowl and try to start it. Gene

Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: poorboy] #2620070
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Originally Posted By poorboy
It may be wrong to assume that you have oil in, and an oil filter on the motor? Spin the oil pump to prime the oil system.

I'd bring #1 up on compression and make sure it didn't jump the timing chain.
Pull the plugs ans put a little oil into each cylinder, then spin the motor over with the starter. Bring # 1 back up on compression, install new plugs, and be sure the ignition wires are connected to the proper cylinders, in the proper rotation, and in the proper position. Check for spark. If you have compression, spark at the right place at the right time, all you should need is fuel, use gas. Fill the carb float bowl and try to start it. Gene


Why would you assume it doesn’t have oil or a filter? 30 years of messing with cars, it has oil.


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2620114
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I may have missed something but I would start from scratch & change oil/filter & drill prime it. oil the cyls. check/clean plugs. confirm the ign connections (while you are priming, good opportunity to spin the dist by hand & see if it sparks at the plug wires). fill the carb bowl. gas to pump inlet. clean large cables/terminals (including ground paths) for good cranking. static time at 15 BTDC compression. cap the open carb nipple. EDIT & get the crank on #6 TDC compression & preoil then go CCW 3/4 of a turn (to #8 TDC compression) & preoil again to oil both heads. easiest is get rotor at #8 before you even pull the dist then preoil there then come forward CW till the marks are at TDC on the tab (3/4 turn) at #6 TDC compression & preoil again

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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2620116
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I just put the FBO ignition on it today

Why? What's wrong with the stock ignition?


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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: Satilite73] #2620139
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Originally Posted By Satilite73

I just put the FBO ignition on it today

Why? What's wrong with the stock ignition?


The stock ignition was all junk replacement parts bought from autozone or some other crap box auto parts store! Because my ex BIL is a cheapskate and doesn’t ever do anything right.


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The open carb nipple is from the vacuum advance being off of it. Fixed that already


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Originally Posted By cdwmotorsports
Originally Posted By Satilite73

I just put the FBO ignition on it today

Why? What's wrong with the stock ignition?


The stock ignition was all junk replacement parts bought from autozone or some other crap box auto parts store! Because my ex BIL is a cheapskate and doesn’t ever do anything right.


Is it installed correctly? IE: did you wire it up correctly?

Installing a new ignition system just because the old one had 'crap' parts on it was kinda stupid. Nothing wrong with the stock electronic ignition, 'crap' parts or not.

I'd be willing to bet the not starting issue lies right here.

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Crap parts that have kept Mopars running for years?

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Originally Posted By Satilite73
Originally Posted By cdwmotorsports
Originally Posted By Satilite73

I just put the FBO ignition on it today

Why? What's wrong with the stock ignition?


The stock ignition was all junk replacement parts bought from autozone or some other crap box auto parts store! Because my ex BIL is a cheapskate and doesn’t ever do anything right.


Is it installed correctly? IE: did you wire it up correctly?

Installing a new ignition system just because the old one had 'crap' parts on it was kinda stupid. Nothing wrong with the stock electronic ignition, 'crap' parts or not.

I'd be willing to bet the not starting issue lies right here.

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Crap parts that have kept Mopars running for years?


Satilite73- I'm not sure what you're saying I removed a box coil and ballast resistor and replaced them with a box coil and ballast resistor.

I'm gonna go ahead and restate it since I'm pretty sure you didn't read it up top the starting issue is a ten year old problem not a new issue

Stumpy- I'm not opposed to those parts if they were original MoPar stuff but they aren't they are made by some no name company that had them made in some god forsaken country by cheap labor.

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Re: 73 Charger won’t run, any help appreciated [Re: cdwmotorsports] #2620351
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I understood what you said earlier just fine.

You're throwing new aftermarket parts at it in hopes of fixing a 10 yr old problem.

No sense putting new shiny aftermarket parts on it if you haven't fixed the original problem.

And stumpy is correct.

Good luck, I'm done.

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Air, fuel, ignition, and compression, in the right amounts, at the right time. That is all that required for an engine to start and then run.

I'd try gas instead of carb cleaner. Fill the fuel bowls, pump the pedal, fire it up. It is starts, it will run until the bowl is sucked dry, which may be about a minute or less. If that happens, then clean the tank and fuel line and hook it up so it will pump fuel.

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Why is the first thing people try to do is start a 50 year old car that has been sitting for 15? It got parked for a reason. IF this thing has been in the family why was it parked? Even if it starts now what? The tires are shot, the brakes are shot, every fluid that was in it is now CRAP. You can do more damage just seeing if it will fire than investigating problems and rooting out causes. Early 70s Charger will not start. OK. Put the car up on jack stands and get to work. ALL fluids need changed. The motor at least needs the VCs off and a little lookie liew. Seeing if the motor will crank is ok but like was said Yank the plugs out and give the cylinders a squirt of something slick. IF the motor turns over great then proceed to the basics. Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow. Do we have fuel at the carb? Yes Proceed to ignition. Pretty easy to check for spark in all the places it should be. GIven that it MIGHT start. Just take your time and stop throwing parts at it. IF your BIL is a clueless cheapskate then you are right there is NO TELLLING what he might have done.
Books are your friend. IF you are going to try fixing the car up over time buy you a Service Manual for your car (Amazon has them I am sure). It is the best money you will spend on any car that you are not familiar with.
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Originally Posted By TC@HP2
Air, fuel, ignition, and compression, in the right amounts, at the right time. That is all that required for an engine to start and then run.

I'd try gas instead of carb cleaner. Fill the fuel bowls, pump the pedal, fire it up. It is starts, it will run until the bowl is sucked dry, which may be about a minute or less. If that happens, then clean the tank and fuel line and hook it up so it will pump fuel.


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Did you already establish the timing chain was OK or not?


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