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Re: Finish line rules [Re: Cab_Burge] #2613348
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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613364
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Every track that I have raced at for the past 40 yrs has the same view on excessive braking. One warning and then DQ. Excessive braking is hitting the brakes hard enough to smoke the tires. Nothing really vaugue about it.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: cudatom] #2613378
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Specifically I'm asking about IHRA tracks. I should have stated that in the first post. I've never been able to find a specific rule on this, that's the whole reason for me asking the original question...

Jeff


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: theraif] #2613388
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That was cool. Most race cars have the brake bias to the back and that car looked like a stock setup. I saw ZERO loss of control though. He got off the brake when the race was over.

Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613441
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A "rule for excessive braking"?
The rule is: someone important doesn't like it. That not a rule, that's an opinion.

The entire point of having rules is NOT to rely on someone's opinion.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613452
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Its a safety issue - if you are smoking the tires with excessive braking then - quite frankly you need to leave before you hurt yourself or somebody else. It was happening at Norwalk in the slower brackets to the point guys were spinning out at top-end playing the stripe. Scrubbing a little speed off is one thing but locking up your front tires is just plain stupid!

Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613454
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Excessive braking is a universal rule, I would doubt any track would say they allow it. Some tracks have their own set of rules, such as a visible tail light, courtesy staging, no beer in the pits, and the like. There are 4 IHRA tracks in KY, Beacon, I-64, London and Clay City. Go on their website or call them to see if they have any rules in particular. I tend to stay North of the Ohio river, as some of those tracks still have single Armco guardrails and the tech inspection consists of handing in your tech card to a teenage girl in the tower.

Re: Finish line rules [Re: cgall] #2613466
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Cgall. I'll agree with you 100% on the tech inspection down here! I used to race at Byron and RT 66, it's a whole other world down here as far as tech inspection goes... I don't understand it.

Jeff

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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613469
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Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: polyspheric] #2613474
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect.


What logic was used and what was ignored?

Re: Finish line rules [Re: A727Tflite] #2613524
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Originally Posted By polyspheric
Remind me not use use logic in these remarks, doesn't seem to have any effect.


What logic was used and what was ignored?


I get it. I've seen the "rule" enforced differently even at the national event level, depending on who the offender was.

Tire smoke or no tire smoke? Crossed up or not? Under control or not? It's a judgement call, probably depending on how long it's been since someone slid the tires and hit the wall.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613527
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It is curious just how important a rule becomes immediately after it was violated with extreme consequences.
We used to have a stretch of public road that was a week end drag strip......unofficially , of course.
And it was perfect..........about a mile long to a dead end , no cross streets and businesses on one side that were closed.
It was all good until someone wrecked and / or got hurt.
Then it was verboten...usually till the next spring or summer.
A couple years back they installed curbing that made it a series of S turns and only wide enough for a single if you wanted to go straight.
One more reason why they call them " The Good Old Days ".

Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613590
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Originally Posted By mills.mopar
Specifically I'm asking about IHRA tracks. I should have stated that in the first post. I've never been able to find a specific rule on this, that's the whole reason for me asking the original question...

Jeff
That was both IHRA, NHRA and outlaw tracks.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: cudatom] #2613596
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The left overs of locking up the tires at the stripe



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Re: Finish line rules [Re: bigdad] #2613603
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I believe it was the 68 or 69 NHRA Nationals that Judy Lilly blew out both front tires because of locking up the brakes in the lights trying to keep from breaking out. Nothing new here.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: DoubleD] #2613621
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Originally Posted By DoubleD
Its a safety issue - if you are smoking the tires with excessive braking then - quite frankly you need to leave before you hurt yourself or somebody else. It was happening at Norwalk in the slower brackets to the point guys were spinning out at top-end playing the stripe. Scrubbing a little speed off is one thing but locking up your front tires is just plain stupid!


I agree 100%.

Nothing wrong with scrubbing a bit but most of that can be done with your right foot.
Also ...if you have to hold a tenth to win a race I would suggest buying my car.....it runs the number.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613625
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i remember one time some racing buds and i were talking if we could make a stand alone abs set up

Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2613899
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Over on ANOTHER PLACE ... there’s a huge topic about some racer allegedly hitting a CONE up on the big end .. laugh2

Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2614252
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If being able to scrub a little speed is so much more important than a couple MPH why not just run a little wider tire so you can brake without locking em up.


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Re: Finish line rules [Re: mills.mopar] #2614393
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"If the brakes are locking up in front on a drag specific car it is not set up properly." Don't tell Tommy Philips! haha

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