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Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: gtx-guy] #2609843
01/21/19 12:30 PM
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Which brings up the question: Why do some people block out part of the VIN when showing their tag(s)? I've had people take photos of my VIN tag and data plate at car shows, photos of copies of my broadcast sheets and original window sticker, etc. Is this some kind of protection?
Terry

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Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2609875
01/21/19 01:27 PM
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I agree with Little Detroit. I looked into this subject to learn something. Better to post a list of cars that are known frauds, then try to limit knowledge. If there is a broad cast sheet that tells you far more than the data tag anyway. Most guys won't even buy a car, let alone pay top dollar for one without it.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: Little Detroit] #2609904
01/21/19 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted By Little Detroit
baloney!!!! education is the answer. you are not going to stop anything by with holding information. As I said before the best defence is a good offence. Its better to help someone "NOT LOSE THEIR SHIRT " than try prevent a suspected forger at getting better. If you truly believe that "fake tags " are that wide spread , and that this is your "true" calling then should you do everything in your power to educate everyone you can so they may determine for them selves if its real or fake.
It seams as though some of you forgot that this a hobby/ business and you forgotten about the hobby side,"helping each other ". What good is it to have all the info and not share it with anyone. Others have helped you by volunteering their info (fender tags, broadcast sheets , and other info) for you to build your data base. Imagine if they were to take the same approach as you are, where would you be then? help the guy out he's obouvisly trying not to be swindled.


If you spend enough time on this forum, you learn who the most informed are for spotting fake tags. They are very helpful in pointing out whether a tag is fake or not. That information alone is helpful enough for the OP. That doesn't mean they have to explain exactly what is wrong, and YES make it easier for the dishonest people to make more convincing tags. I side with Barry on this.


addict:to devote or surrender (oneself) to something habitually or obsessively ....hmmmm
Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2609908
01/21/19 02:33 PM
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If you know just say fake or real. You do not have to say whats wrong with it. Barry what about the BO29 tag you never said anything about that one.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: davesmopars] #2609934
01/21/19 03:16 PM
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Also,as far as the complete vin being posted,if not there would be no registry's !

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 62maxwgn] #2609963
01/21/19 04:08 PM
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to mr. butterscotch ta . you are correct you don't "have too" teach or explain anything to anybody. however if you don't want help someone understand the differences then why bother calling someone out for a fake tag. the OP probably doesn't know you any better or Bullwinkle , so why should trust a guy that says "trust me" but wont show why its a fake. there are a thousands of reasons and analogies to educate people, but only two reasons to not.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2609970
01/21/19 04:28 PM
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Come on everyone.. back to the topic.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: cbusters] #2609999
01/21/19 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted By cbusters
Isn't the fender tag lifted (bent) up in one corner to facilitate painting underneath and then folded down? One screw painted body color and one a bare plated screw? Don't see any bend marks.


"Usually" the other plants except or "usually" Lynch Road Assembly bent the fender tag right to left with the left screw in place. The Lynch Road fender tags were hanging (supposedly by a paperclip) somewhere inside the passenger's compartment maybe by the sun visor, mirror mount or steering column. So NO crease or fold mark on LR tags.

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Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: A12] #2610006
01/21/19 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted By A12
All …..


"ALL" & "NEVER" usually don't belong in any Mopar discussions

IMO the tag is "NOT AUTHENTIC". nothing I see specifically on the tag "rats" it out - is there any other documentation for the car?

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: Little Detroit] #2610007
01/21/19 06:01 PM
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I'll split this up some, just to cover a few points mentioned from my perspective.

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=Little Detroit] Its better to help someone "NOT LOSE THEIR SHIRT " than try prevent a suspected forger at getting better.



I answer people emails asking if fender tags are fake or real all the time - for free.

I have three websites with my contact information available, so I am not hard to find.

Originally Posted By Little Detroit
It seams as though some of you forgot that this a hobby/ business and you forgotten about the hobby side,"helping each other ".


It is a hobby for some & a business for some. A few different places make fake tags, why provide information to help them help their clients with better fakes?

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What good is it to have all the info and not share it with anyone. Others have helped you by volunteering their info (fender tags, broadcast sheets , and other info) for you to build your data base.


Thousands of people have trusted me with their car data over the years. I use it to do good. If I started using what I have learned over the last 30 plus years to 'help' the dishonest people make fakes, I would lose the trust of thousands.

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help the guy out he's obouvisly trying not to be swindled.


The OP asked about a Lynch Road tag, they are outside my area of study. wink

I do have a lot of 1970 Lynch Road information filed though. But the photo the OP posted has part of the VIN blocked. So is it worth taking any time to try to look up? I file everything by VIN, so why try to look anything up based on a hidden VIN?

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: davesmopars] #2610009
01/21/19 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted By davesmopars
Barry what about the BO29 tag you never said anything about that one.


1968 Hamtramck?

Again outside my area of study.

I study 1970 LA & Hamtramck coding.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2610021
01/21/19 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted By davesmopars
Barry what about the BO29 tag you never said anything about that one.


1968 Hamtramck?

Again outside my area of study.

I study 1970 LA & Hamtramck coding.


If you would like to know pm me and I will tell you so you have that info also.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: A12] #2610046
01/21/19 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted By A12
REPRODUCTION,

Paint is a little thick but looking at it from the back, fonts, spacing and line spacing all seem to be the same as the originals pictured above? There is also some sign of pitting or aging on the back. Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it a reproduction?

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Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #2610109
01/21/19 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Originally Posted By A12
REPRODUCTION,

Paint is a little thick but looking at it from the back, fonts, spacing and line spacing all seem to be the same as the originals pictured above? There is also some sign of pitting or aging on the back. Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it a reproduction?


OPINION JD just an opinion. So on the flip side "Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it an original"....no but we're allowed to state an OPINION wink I think from now on I'm not going to state an opinion on any fender tags.


Mike

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2610119
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Remade.

One should never guess.


Seeking:

1969 St. Louis plant VINs, SPD, and VONs.
Over 2,000 thanks to you!
Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: A12] #2610126
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Originally Posted By A12
Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Originally Posted By A12
REPRODUCTION,

Paint is a little thick but looking at it from the back, fonts, spacing and line spacing all seem to be the same as the originals pictured above? There is also some sign of pitting or aging on the back. Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it a reproduction?


OPINION JD just an opinion. So on the flip side "Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it an original"....no but we're allowed to state an OPINION wink I think from now on I'm not going to state an opinion on any fender tags.


Mike

Me neither! up

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2610142
01/21/19 10:13 PM
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This discussion makes me realize that there ARE innocent people on death row! LOL!

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: A12] #2610252
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Originally Posted By A12
Originally Posted By RoadRunnerJD
Originally Posted By A12
REPRODUCTION,

Paint is a little thick but looking at it from the back, fonts, spacing and line spacing all seem to be the same as the originals pictured above? There is also some sign of pitting or aging on the back. Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it a reproduction?


OPINION JD just an opinion. So on the flip side "Is anyone on here really expert enough to declare it an original"....no but we're allowed to state an OPINION wink I think from now on I'm not going to state an opinion on any fender tags.


Mike


Mike,maybe like this below,maybe yes,maybe no,may never know !! confused


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Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: davesmopars] #2610260
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Originally Posted By davesmopars
Originally Posted By Alaskan_TA
Originally Posted By davesmopars
Barry what about the BO29 tag you never said anything about that one.


1968 Hamtramck?

Again outside my area of study.

I study 1970 LA & Hamtramck coding.


If you would like to know pm me and I will tell you so you have that info also.


Barry doesn't use the PM system. You need to either email or snail mail him.

Re: Original or repro fendertag RM21V0A [Re: 71redcuda] #2610272
01/22/19 02:14 AM
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Thanks for all input. I will hopefully inspect the tag "live"soon when my friend send it over..

I dont want to show the full VIN when its not my car.

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