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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2634980
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Today was dyno day for the new 426W based engine. I used a 4.25 stroke with 7.10 rods and Diamond pistons. Heads are Trick Flow 240 heads and Dwayne came up with a 239/245 hyd roller cam. She made 613 hp at 5800 rpm and 631 ft-lbs at 4800 rpm. Torque was 522 at 3000 rpm where we started the pull and was 529 ft-lbs at 6000 rpm where we stopped the pull. So wall to wall torque. These numbers are about 50 ft-lbs and 40 hp better then the 512 engine which I had in the car so the car is picking up power even though the cam is a bit smaller. I assume that is because the Trick Flow heads are better than the ported RPM heads which the 512 had but it could also be the different intake manifold or the EFI system.

We did all of the dyno tests with a Holley Sniper setup. The Sniper is great to use on the dyno since I can sit in the control room and adjust the ignition timing as well as the jetting. We just hold the engine at a certain rpm and then tweak the timing and the fuel until it is working best and then move to the next point. It really is amazing what just a few degrees of timing will do at part throttle. At 2500 rpm we were able to reduce exhaust temp by 500 degrees by adding some timing. I've had cars in the past that would melt stuff under the hood while driving down the freeway and now I think I know why. Those cars had MSD billet distributors on them which didn't have any vacuum advance. We saw a big difference in exhaust gas temp between 35 degrees and 40 degrees of timing on the dyno at cruise speed. I'm tempted now to install a couple of EGT probes into my headers just to watch this in the car. I've been tuning for fuel consumption and manifold pressure at cruise but now I'm thinking I might also need to keep an eye on EGT.
Is that wheel HP? Very impressive either way, that's not a very big cam. What are the lift and LSA numbers? Thanks Andy, this is better than 90% of the articles in the car rags- yours being the top 10%.

Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: Skeptic] #2635029
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Dyno power. It should make 500 to 525 at the rear tires. My last engine made 575 on the same dyno and 480 at the rear tires so this engine should step up about 40 hp.

Valve lift is 0.595 and 0.575. Cam is ground on 112 centers and installed at 108. It is a high dollar valve train with RAS rocker arms, Gaterman lifter, and Comp conical valve springs but in my experience you need to put quality parts in the valvetrain or else they don't work very well.

The cam is small but I told Dwayne that I wanted the car to drive nice and smooth just off idle. My last cam was 246/246 and it was just a hair too big for me. That cam pulled hard above 2500 rpm but the car was a little lumpy when driving down the street at 25 mph. If this cam gives me better driveability at low speeds and more power on the top end then that is a win win.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2637547
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I'm working to get the new engine ready to go back into the car. I decided to try the Schumacher headers but they don't fit with a scattershield so I had to cut the collector off and do some fab work. I'm trying to decide what style of motor mount to use. I'm leaning towards using the C body/A body bracket that bolts to the front of the engine. I think that will be the easiest solution to fabricate in the car.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2637548
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I was going to use a mini-starter but it sits pretty close to the Schumacher header so I decided to try a starter from RobbMc. The RobbMc starter is completely different and has a lot of room around it. I'll have to change my wiring setup but I guess I can do that. This is just how it goes with custom projects. You try different combinations of parts until you find something that works well enough. None of this stuff is ever perfect, but if you try enough different combinations you can eventually find something that fits and works. Kind of time consuming (and expensive) process though.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2637595
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It's been a few years since I have worked with one, the one I saw had plastic gears in it. I wonder if Robb still uses those?

Those headers are like hitting the "easy" button, I like them.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: ZIPPY] #2637667
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The headers look easy but like most aftermarket parts they don't quite work as well as they could.They are a good starting point though.

Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2637668
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what size are the primary's andy ?
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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: moparx] #2637674
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I thought the whole deal w schumacher headers is you agree to sacrifice some power, but in exchange get a great fit. I see you've already made them work, but sucks you needed to cut and weld.

Doesn't TTI sell a header that will bolt on?


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Schumacher headers are designed to work with an automatic transmission. They have to be modified to work with a four speed and they don't fit a Lakewood bellhousing at all. But they are close enough that I decided to give it a go. I tried some TTI 1 3/4 headers and they were a complete no go. I've tried other headers over the years that also didn't fit which is the reason I ran cast iron manifolds on the car for so long. I'm pretty sure that I can make these Tri-Y headers work this time around. It is just a fab job at this point and I know guys who can fab.

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I read somewhere that TTI headers will fit w small modification to the bellhousing and small starter.


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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: TonyS451] #2637734
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Originally Posted by TonyS451
I read somewhere that TTI headers will fit w small modification to the bellhousing and small starter.


That could be true for some cars but not mine. The engine in my car has been moved back and down in order to get the Doug Nash to fit in the tunnel so nothing fits off the rack.

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Originally Posted by AndyF
Originally Posted by TonyS451
I read somewhere that TTI headers will fit w small modification to the bellhousing and small starter.


That could be true for some cars but not mine. The engine in my car has been moved back and down in order to get the Doug Nash to fit in the tunnel so nothing fits off the rack.


Ah, I was not aware of custom engine and trans install on your car. All this time I just thought you were hello bent on proving that exhaust manifolds can work smile


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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: TonyS451] #2637782
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Nope, not on a crusade. Just taking lemons and making lemonade.

Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2640947
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I have the new engine sitting in the correct location so now I need to build new motor mount brackets. The passenger side appears to be easy enough but the driver side will require some creativity.

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Coming along very nicely.

Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2642343
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Well it is spring time now and the Coronet is no where near to being finished so I suppose the title of this thread is wrong. I have been making some progress though. Got the headers built last week and the new transmission mount is welded up. The new master cylinder and brake lines are in and we might have figured out a solution to the e-brake issue I've been having. The big task now is to build new motor mounts for the K frame. Once that job is done then the car should start going back together.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2642382
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I'm not sure if it's too late in your build to try this on the transmission or not. One trick is to rough up the cones on the gears so they get better traction in the synchro. Just use some 100 grit sandpaper by hand.


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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2642662
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I used my phone to shoot a video when dialing in the bellhousing. This worked out great since I was able to play the video back frame by frame to see how to adjust the housing. These Lakewood housings are a long way off. I had to use 0.021 offset dowels and still couldn't get it perfect.

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Re: Winter update for the Coronet [Re: AndyF] #2650860
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I've decided to wussify my car by adding power steering. Took the plunge and ordered up the new Borgenson PS box. My car is a factory manual steer car so I needed a PS steering shaft. Lucky for me, I had a PS column stashed in my spare parts area so now I'm in the process of pulling the two columns apart and rebuilding my old column with all new parts and the PS shaft. I've never rebuilt a steering column before so it is slow going. Had to find the vendors, order the parts, order some tools, etc.

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Originally Posted by Hemi_Joel
I'm not sure if it's too late in your build to try this on the transmission or not. One trick is to rough up the cones on the gears so they get better traction in the synchro. Just use some 100 grit sandpaper by hand.


Thanks but I know better than to take the transmission apart. If I took that transmission apart the car would turn into a barn find. I'd never get it back together and my kids would sell it for $100 in 30 years when I die.

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