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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: TonyS451] #2612645
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Originally Posted By TonyS451


So, how did the new paint work out? I've always had good luck with several light coats of mopar paint, although still never as deep as painting with a gun.

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I decided not to paint everything ahead of time, and will wait until a little later. I did paint a test panel + the front of one mockup head and I like the color.

I probably spent $150 on PPG stuff painting the 451, 18 years ago. The pro quality spray gun material produces a super thick, glossy, deep finish that looks really nice but sometimes bugs me. In a way it looks like the engine has been "dipped in plastic". It's a good way to go but decided to swing the other way on this one and see how it goes.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2612656
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
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The Indy cover doesn't fit under a stock water pump housing and it doesn't have a timing pointer....


Yep but The AR engineering motor plate will act as a spacer, and timing pointer can just be a 5 dollar sheet metal thing, I'd be happy to with that.

I don't have a hub for my damper yet so the longer version would be needed if I went down that road.



Correct, the Indy cover requires a longer hub which moves the pulley spacing. Lots of ripples to the pool. But if you know them all up front then you can work thru them..

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2612670
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Or, you can just put the dent in the stock cover.

Actually, the “early” covers with the double step raised area usually don’t need the dent.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2612728
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It's still pretty cheap to change my mind at this point so I will keep messing with it and thinking about it.

Here's a shot with the other camera + tripod + cheap light experiment.
I think this camera is the best one I've got.
Now that the resolution is way up there it seems the lighting needs another upgrade.

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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2612746
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Depends on the camera. I have a Nikon SLR camera which is really old, but it has the knobs on it that allow me to adjust white balance and to run in manual mode. I use fluorescent lights in my shop so I just adjust the white balance in the camera for fluorescent. I use the tripod to hold the camera steady and then I slow the lens way down so it gets the light from the time rather than the aperture. That way you don't need bright lights or a flash. A flash doesn't work with car parts since they tend to be shiny. Natural light doesn't work very well with car parts either. Fluorescent lights work okay if you can adjust the white balance in the camera.

The other trick is to go to a craft store and buy a large sheet of white foam core. Then you just put the foam core board behind the block and you'll have a nice white background.

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2612747
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Here is an engine shot. White foam core in the background and fluorescent lights above. No tricky light setup, just regular old shop lights.

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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2613084
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I'll shop for the background material. Thanks for sharing that my friend.

I've been using a piece of white high pressure laminate shelving as a background for auction pictures for awhile now, it's really helped. Need something larger and not too hard to store for bigger pics. Foam board will be perfect.

It looks cool with the diffused light aimed at the areas not in direct light, it makes those spots pop a little.

Fun to mess with while I wait for the balance job to be finished.

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2613131
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I tried a bunch of different background materials when I first start shooting pictures for magazine articles. I eventually found out that foam core worked the best. It is super lightweight and has a white matte finish that works excellent as a background. It also reflects light onto the backside of the object you are shooting. Office Depot has 40" x 60" white foam board for $13. A couple of those sheets will provide a good backdrop for engines or other large parts and they are easy to store up against a wall or behind a door.

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2613327
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Need a little more self-instruction on how to use the 100 settings on the camera or time to mess with them...I am clueless on aperature, shutter speed, and so on...these are in automatic mode, but regardless this seems like a big leap forward.

It looks a little artificial to light up specific areas but really pops and shows quite alot of detail in those spots (if that's what you want to do). You can see how the bottom areas are a little more shiny in the second picture. The first one looks much more natural.






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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2613342
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On my Nikon I usually shoot in aperture mode. On a Nikon when you are aperture mode the camera will automatically adjust the shutter speed to provide the correct light. So I just adjust the aperture depending on what depth of focus I want. Typically for car parts you just want to focus on a specific area and you don't really want the background in focus. So you can use a lower F number. Usually something in the range of F8 to F4 will give you the best results for car parts. In your pictures above you could reduce the F number by one or two settings to see what it does. For example, you don't really want the engine stand to be in focus. If it is blurry it helps focus the eye on the engine block. When stuff in the background is in focus it distracts the eye.

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In your shot above you could take a piece of white paper and wrap it around the red engine stand. Then lower the F stop a notch or two and reshoot the picture. When you lower the F number (increase the aperture size) the background loses focus. The white paper doesn't have to perfectly match the white background since it won't be in focus anyway. Everything will just blur together in the picture and it will appear that the engine block is floating.

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2613563
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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
It's still pretty cheap to change my mind at this point so I will keep messing with it and thinking about it.

Here's a shot with the other camera + tripod + cheap light experiment.
I think this camera is the best one I've got.
Now that the resolution is way up there it seems the lighting needs another upgrade.


I still have my craftsman tool box like yours,was ale to buy it in 1974 as a special buy through my participation in the Plymouth Troubleshooting contest.Cost of box with tools.......$400 eek I'm OLD!

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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
Originally Posted By ZIPPY
It's still pretty cheap to change my mind at this point so I will keep messing with it and thinking about it.

Here's a shot with the other camera + tripod + cheap light experiment.
I think this camera is the best one I've got.
Now that the resolution is way up there it seems the lighting needs another upgrade.


I still have my craftsman tool box like yours,was ale to buy it in 1974 as a special buy through my participation in the Plymouth Troubleshooting contest.Cost of box with tools.......$400 eek I'm OLD!



That GLOBE!!! That thing is sweet.


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I'm partial to the blue pegboard 😎


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Ended up going with Best for balancing and got a crash course in potential oiling issues/things to look for at no extra charge. Enough information was passed from Master to Customer/Student, it's probably going to take me about a week to digest it all and check it all out first hand to make sure I really get it. Thanks Chuck.

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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2641141
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Rich please share.

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Originally Posted by DUSTER_340
Rich please share.


How is your build going?

I wouldn't feel right doing that because of the way it was presented to me. It was a huge favor, and probably too complex to get into here anyway. It mostly revolved around characteristics of different parts combinations, and things to watch for with my specific combination.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2641201
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Looked at my notes and my hemi's bobweight is 2650 grams, not 2450 like I told you yesterday. It's heavy! I'm using a 7.0" rod and some pretty thick pins...nitrous abuse.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2641344
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No where fast, I only need to purchase pistons/rings and push rods, for the balance of parts collecting, but I need to check the block out and decide what machining if any I want done. It is currently stock bore , with what i think maybe too course of a deck finish, and I also need to have my rotating assembly balanced upon completion.

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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Looked at my notes and my hemi's bobweight is 2650 grams, not 2450 like I told you yesterday. It's heavy! I'm using a 7.0" rod and some pretty thick pins...nitrous abuse.


Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if your pistons we're close to 1/8" thicker than mine right where its needed.

My pistons are, I think, Indy's shelf piston they use in their crate engine, so not designed for
Any power adders. I say "I think" because I didn't get them directly from Indy so it's just a guess.


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