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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2769670
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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2769692
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
I only mixed 8 ounces of paint (+ hardener and reducer),
But after one tack coat and two full wet coats I was done with the engine.

Still had about 2 tablespoons of mixed paint in the cup. What to do?

Rather than throw it out, I fogged most of the wix/carquest oil filter stash real quick to
Use it up on something.

This thing has sure come a long way.
My hat is off to the experts who do this successfully for a living.


That oil pan MIGHT get hit by the center link, it looks deep in that area, I had one like it & it hit on my B wedge.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: CSK] #2769718
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Originally Posted by csk


That oil pan MIGHT get hit by the center link, it looks deep in that area, I had one like it & it hit on my B wedge.


Hope not, but guess it could happen and it wouldn't hurt to be prepared.

It looked to be a copy of the 971/Moroso deep sump currently in the car, eyeballing it
it seemed pretty close but I'll check it again with a measuring tape.

If it's not going to work I'll try one with a passenger side kickout.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: n20mstr] #2769719
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Originally Posted by n20mstr


NICE JOB ! ! !


Thank you.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2769774
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Looks good Rich!


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: DynoDave] #2769801
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thanks Dave, don't be a stranger!


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2769829
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I'm thinking you should just go ahead and drop that Hemi into the GTX. Or lift it in from below if that works better. Life is short, summer is around the corner so you might as well get it bolted in and start driving it. You can deal with the patina later, or just not deal with it at all. These days I think it is perfect to have a muscle car with some patina and a 572 in Hemi thumping away. That car will get a lot of attention once you start driving it. You do want to make sure it is safe but other than that I'd say go for it.

Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: AndyF] #2769837
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As an influence for a long time, I do like your enthusiasm Andy and totally agree on timing/public taste at the moment.

Folks were literally taking close ups of the rust last year at the track, and I got a ton of positive remarks.

Just want to take care of the front end of the car right now. It'll have both primer and patina going on for awhile
when the engine is fit in there and driven a bit.

Seems like it should be a pretty mild beast with an exhaust on it, compared to the 451.






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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: ZIPPY] #2770084
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Originally Posted by ZIPPY
thanks Dave, don't be a stranger!


I'd offer to come by and help you drop that thing in place, but that would be hard to do from 6 feet away! laugh2

I'm sure you have plenty of help, but if you need an extra pair of hands, don't be afraid to ask.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build... ugly pictures [Re: DynoDave] #2770401
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Thanks Dave.

Managed to get the pulley alignment within 1/32nd".

Thanks to the poster who suggested to use tubing in the V grooves on one of my 800 other threads.
Between the tubing and having the motor plate/creating a nice flat measuring point,
that really worked out great.

Alternator is from a 1991 D150 318, 120 amp Denso.

It wasn't designed to work with Andy's bracket but is really easy to set up.
If anyone wants the "recipe" you drill the bracket out to 3/8, push the alt
sleeve out the back flush with the inside of the ear, make a 1.040" spacer
for the front, and use a 4.5" long 3/8" bolt with a nut on the back.

March WP pulley, Andy's crank pulley spacer, Moroso crank pulley with .120" cut off in a lathe.
So many have told me the Moroso pulley doesn't work...I've used it since 2001 shruggy
Hopefully it works on this deal.



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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: ZIPPY] #2772798
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Pictures trying to be less ugly, and partially succeeding.

Covid-572: Pandhemi, born on 4/26/20.

That's a wrap for now.

572 Glamour shot.jpg572 Glamour shot 2.jpg

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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: ZIPPY] #2772835
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Looks awesome Rich, cant wait to have mine to that state.

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Originally Posted by DUSTER_340
Looks awesome Rich, cant wait to have mine to that state.



Thank you Bob! Please let me know if I can somehow be of any help.


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: ZIPPY] #2820614
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I'm going to follow up with links to the other threads, to consolidate all my slop into one bucket.

I admit I only started those other threads b/c I didn't want to scrounge this one up every time it got buried.

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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: ZIPPY] #2820630
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Looks awesome Rich! One of your threads I completely missed out on while I was on shut down leave...but we kept up via FB.
How's the car coming?


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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: ZIPPY] #2820644
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What might be more important that "what is"......What is NOT.

In other words: What DIDN'T work?
Nobody ever talks about that! It isn't exactly a Glamorous topic.

Quite a bit did not work out like I originally planned or hoped.
I had to try a few things and really look at them/think about them to decide I didn't want to go that way.

-The 572 actually started as a 528. I had bought a new set of Wiseco/MP pistons for $250, and a new set of Scat Rods for
$400. Later on the Diamond 572/Indy crate piston set came up for sale for an incredible price, and that sealed the deal.
MP pistons sold off for a song. (I'll use the Scat rods in a near-stock type of engine later on). I was thankful for this
as I was close to buying a 4.150 crank, and ended up with 4.500.

-The older design 110-M MP aluminum heads. I had hoarded several, almost all of them needed rework, and in the end I decided
I'd be better off with new heads from an airflow and cost perspective. I recently sold almost all of them off.
There is nothing wrong with them, they can definitely run great.
But, I would have had to repair mine, drop alot of money into them for prep,
and probably wait at least another year for that one CNC shop to pull the big numbers.....

-My first choice of 272 @ .050 endurance roller cams. Didn't have enough piston to valve clearance, locked it up. Wasn't about to mess with the pistons any further.
I was a little disappointed, but considering the Diamond pistons I'm using cost 75% less than customs, and this is a street engine first....no big deal.
One local guru I have the utmost respect for told me I needed to take about 16 degrees @ .050 out of it. I compromised at 12. The second smaller cam
took care of that problem.

-The little brass tube pressed into Victor heads for exhaust pushrod clearance/so they can hog out the intake port is OK with stock rocker arms, but would not work with Indy exhaust rollers.
Another thing that had a negative effect on exhaust pushrod clearance was the use of lifters that were near standard height (I mocked up flat tappets for visual aid purposes) with the
same rocker combination. You can't just grind for more PR clearance because there's only a thin brass tube there, there's nothing to grind on.
Of the pieces I worked with, Comp 861 lifters were the best fit overall with the two rocker combos I had.
I have to imagine Comp 892 would probably have also worked (I believe they are taller than stock which is needed) but did not have any to mock up.

-If you follow the story, the oiling system was a conundrum. I was set on staying with internal pickup and had to take the time to mock up a stock style pickup + attempt to clearance it for my
combination of parts before deciding I didn't like it, and it would be better to use the World/MP block external pickup provision instead.
Remember this is a 4.500x4.500. If you use a shorter stroke, you'll have less of an issue or maybe none.

-The oil pan. A shallow pan is nice for street use so I looked into that, close enough to map out the oil level and mark the pan.
Eventually had to admit to myself I hadn't run less than 8 quarts even with my Wedge engine, since 2001 and that it would probably be smart to use
AT LEAST that with the Hemi.

-Having never used race connecting rod bearings before, I got totally lost with those before I was straightened out (right here, and also by the rod manufacturer)
On the upper/lower markings + arranging them to have the chamfers facing the right way. Before looking into that and admitting my lack of experience, I had
no idea about that. Prior to this I only used stock replacement style bearings (clevite P, sealed power, stuff like that), which do not have an upper and lower.
This wasn't a parts thing, it was a learning opportunity. I'm also not accustomed to having quite so many choices for bearings which only happens when you use
Chevy journal dimensions.

-I had pushrod length 100% dialed in where I wanted it, and then decided to upgrade the rocker adjusters.......and that meant I had to do that job twice.
It cost me time, but was another learning opportunity. A street application probably doesn't need the adjusters I installed but it seemed like a good idea anyway.

There is more but I have to stop for now.

Really this build was a great learning experience overall.

I also hope to do some different Gen 2 Hemis later on and have made tentative plans.

A friend suggested I start a youtube series "a hemi for regular gearheads" or something like that. I'm not sure anyone would care enough to watch it.












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Re: Starting mockups for a 572 build (trying better pics) [Re: an8sec70cuda] #2820647
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Originally Posted by an8sec70cuda
Looks awesome Rich! One of your threads I completely missed out on while I was on shut down leave...but we kept up via FB.
How's the car coming?


Hi Chip, thank you.

Not a whole lot has changed lately, but I have had the front sheetmetal off the car for awhile now have welded in a new right inner fender, have done a little rust repair besides.
The backside of the fenders/underside of the inner fenders/rails are painted and I almost have the class A side of the fenders ready for primer.

Been getting alot of practice repairing sheetmetal, since I can't strip the whole car and put it on a rotisserie I'm going to work front to back in sections.

Sold my truck and got sidetracked by new/used truck purchase + and a few other projects and am almost back to working on the car.
The 572 sits under a plastic sheet, on the engine stand.
I'm thinking of making an engine dolly for it just to make it smaller and more compact/a little easier to roll around.


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