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I just replaced an old pair of disc brakes from a 65 Plymouth B body to a set of new Strange disc brakes.
They didnt offer them for the 65 but thought the spindles were the same from a 69 Plymouth.
Brackets bolted up fine but the inner bearing wont go on deep enough to fit the locking nut with the washer and not enough thread engagement to put the cotter pin in.
Also the centering on the caliper cant be shimmed.

Are the spindle shafts different thickness for year to year.
Anyone have a solution to fix this mess.
These brakes are expensive and I cant send them back now. Please help. Thanks

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probably a dr diff question. or andyf.

I don't know b-bodies that well.
I know for c-bodies, which doesn't exactly help, that in 69 the spindles changed.
everything bolts up from 65-73, suspension wise. whole setups will work.
but you can't swap individual parts between them.
Like the rotors don't work between certain years. 68 won't work on a 71 etc..

I imagine part of it is the budd disc system that went away in 68.

The other question would be are you sure it is a factory disc system and not an aftermarket?

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Originally Posted By Andrewh
probably a dr diff question. or andyf.

I don't know b-bodies that well.
I know for c-bodies, which doesn't exactly help, that in 69 the spindles changed.
everything bolts up from 65-73, suspension wise. whole setups will work.
but you can't swap individual parts between them.
Like the rotors don't work between certain years. 68 won't work on a 71 etc..

I imagine part of it is the budd disc system that went away in 68.

The other question would be are you sure it is a factory disc system and not an aftermarket?




The old disc brake system was aftermarket as well.
The diameter on the 65 spindle seems to be a touch larger.

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I've had some Chinese bearings that didn't fit the spindles. just a few thousandths off.

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do you know how old?
there were a couple of different types out and depending on which would make a difference.
1 just put stuff on the old drum spindles.
scaredbird type and it pushes the tires out.

the others replaced the spindles as well. forget the main company name, but typically their stuff wasn't street use.

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Only problem now is have no room to put the cotter pin in.
Do they make a very thin retaining nut?
Right now nut is flush with the threaded spindle.

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Are you sure the previous setup was aftermarket? For a long time it's been a popular mod to swap mid '70s "A" body disk brakes onto '62-'65 "B" bodies. Conversion included "A" body spindles. I don't know if the bearing diameters were different but you might measure the difference between what you took off and what you're trying to install. If its not going on far enough to engage the nut then the bearings aren't seating and you'll destroy the rotors and or the spindles pretty quickly.


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Originally Posted By Centerline
Are you sure the previous setup was aftermarket? For a long time it's been a popular mod to swap mid '70s "A" body disk brakes onto '62-'65 "B" bodies. Conversion included "A" body spindles. I don't know if the bearing diameters were different but you might measure the difference between what you took off and what you're trying to install. If its not going on far enough to engage the nut then the bearings aren't seating and you'll destroy the rotors and or the spindles pretty quickly.



I got the rotors centered now.
The hib is all the way back.
What I'm seeing there is way too much outer hub.
The bearing is out way too far sitting in the race.
Wheel spins perfect.
No binding but now I need a very shallow spindle nut.
I've seen other early b bodies with the same strange brake conversions and they have more than enough nut engagement.

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Originally Posted By Sammy
the inner bearing wont go on deep enough to fit the locking nut with the washer and not enough thread engagement to put the cotter pin in.


The inner bearing should go all the way up to the raised shoulder on the spindle; if it won't, the bearing inner race diameter is too small. Do not attempt to run the rotor if the inner bearing isn't up against the shoulder.


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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
Originally Posted By Sammy
the inner bearing wont go on deep enough to fit the locking nut with the washer and not enough thread engagement to put the cotter pin in.


The inner bearing should go all the way up to the raised shoulder on the spindle; if it won't, the bearing inner race diameter is too small. Do not attempt to run the rotor if the inner bearing isn't up against the shoulder.



It is up against the shoulder of the race and everything is seated correctly. It looks like I got the wrong hubs.

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66-69 B disc spindles
70-72 B/E disc spindles
73 up spindles

66-69 B Bendix calipers
70-72 B and 70-74 E KH calipers

66-69 B rotor Bendix

70-72 B/E rotors KH small bearing

73 up Rotor KH large, plus dia changes

Many combinations so you really need to determine what spindles you have. If 66-69 spindles that is your problem matching up either caliper or rotor. Both must be Bendix

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Originally Posted By dragon slayer
66-69 B disc spindles
70-72 B/E disc spindles
73 up spindles

66-69 B Bendix calipers
70-72 B and 70-74 E KH calipers

66-69 B rotor Bendix

70-72 B/E rotors KH small bearing

73 up Rotor KH large, plus dia changes

Many combinations so you really need to determine what spindles you have. If 66-69 spindles that is your problem matching up either caliper or rotor. Both must be Bendix





Calipers and rotors are all lining up nicely now. That is NOT the problem NOW.
The problem is the outer race and bearings location in the hub seems to be outward more than other hubs I have seen in person. Its not giving me enough thread engagement on the jam nut and I can't even get the washer on any more and no way to put the cotter pin through.

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If you purchased the Strange kit for a 1969 "B" body and you're replacing disks that are already on the car then the problem is the spindles. According to Strange that kit "Fits factory drum brake spindles."

I suggest you try to find some stock '69 "B" body drum brake spindles. They shouldn't be that hard to find and if you indeed have that kit, everything should fit properly. That said, putting the later spindles on a '65 may change the geometry slightly and effect alignment. I'm sure someone will chime in who has done that before. If not, ask your question on the "For B Bodies Only (62-65 forum). Lots of early "B" body knowledge there.


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OP stated that the brackets "bolted up fine" so the spindle must be drum brake and the '62-'69 B-body drum brake spindles are all the same, even same part number. shruggy


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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
OP stated that the brackets "bolted up fine" so the spindle must be drum brake and the '62-'69 B-body drum brake spindles are all the same, even same part number. shruggy


He also said he was replacing an old set of disks... so if he had disks they would have been disk spindles, not drum spindles. The question is are they from an A, B, or C body and what year.


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Yes but, as you stated earlier, the Strange kit is for drum spindles so would their brackets fit any disc spindle?


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Originally Posted By John_Kunkel
Yes but, as you stated earlier, the Strange kit is for drum spindles so would their brackets fit any disc spindle?


I think you'll have to ask Strange Engineering that question.


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Originally Posted By Centerline
If you purchased the Strange kit for a 1969 "B" body and you're replacing disks that are already on the car then the problem is the spindles. According to Strange that kit "Fits factory drum brake spindles."

I suggest you try to find some stock '69 "B" body drum brake spindles. They shouldn't be that hard to find and if you indeed have that kit, everything should fit properly. That said, putting the later spindles on a '65 may change the geometry slightly and effect alignment. I'm sure someone will chime in who has done that before. If not, ask your question on the "For B Bodies Only (62-65 forum). Lots of early "B" body knowledge there.



Thanks for your reply. I just got down to the bottom of it and just noticed that the previous owner cut off the front part of the spindle to allow for a shallow center cap.
He took off a good inch so I do not have enough thread engagement.
And now you are also right that I need a set of stock drum spindles. I'd take anything that isn't rusted up in great shape. 1962 to 1969. They are all the same from what I was told.







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