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Retro Nascar #2560841
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A few years ago Cotton Owens built a reproduction of the car he built that David Pearson drove back in 1964. The car was recently for sale, but I don't know if it sold or who purchased it if it did sell.



My question is this: What do you think of setting up a street car with a Nascar retro paint scheme... including roll bar system, 5 point harness, rear seat delete etc? Do you think that is cheesy, interesting, childish? Just curious what people think.

I have a '64 Polara 2dHt that will not be a daily driver and I'm thinking that a similar paint scheme might help draw in kids (and old timers like me) at local car shows. I'm not looking for trophies, I just want to increase interest and help the hobby.

Just looking for opinions.. don't worry you won't hurt my feelings so please be honest.


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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Centerline] #2560845
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I think it's an awesome idea.

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I think it would be interesting and cool but only if the graphics are done in paint, not vinyl.
Just my 2 cents.

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Always wanted to do it , just never got it done

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Always wanted to do Mark Donohue's AMC Matador or Buddy Arrington's Imperial.

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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: bigdad] #2560869
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there is a fellow around here that has "restored" a '40 ford dirt car that was a winner of many races many, many, years ago on the jalopy circuit, or whatever it was called back then. only street items on it are windshield, lights and a wiper. he drives it to a ton of shows, and qualified for antique tags in pa. back when pictures were required for those tags. had a ton of documentation for it to get the tags approved. lots of arguments about harrisburg approving it, but they did.
now days, there are just too many title kinds to register under, so it's getting to be almost anything goes. as long as a person doesn't act like an azz, you're golden.
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I dunno. Sort of cool but the sort of thing you would get tired of driving I think. Once people have seen it once, well then they've seen it.


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Originally Posted By 56_Royal_Lancer
I think it would be interesting and cool but only if the graphics are done in paint, not vinyl.
Just my 2 cents.

Spot on...There seems to be more interest at our local shows in something like you want to do rather than just another street car...
Not too far away is a museum a few guys have built cars for that are tribute's to local dirt racing...
They have an excellent show each year in July.
https://www.facebook.com/Bud-Garveys-Vintage-Race-Car-Museum-924818217545280/?rf=406070856168556


Loving all the tears... bawling

Sorry Doc...

We'll try again in 2 years...up

Edited...Looks like it will be 6 years...biggrin
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" Do you think that is cheesy, interesting, childish? Just curious what people think."

Yes laugh2

Now if underneath it was true to form then,I'd add "awesome". up


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I like the idea of a retro build - I've wanted to do something like that, like a Superbird, or a vintage TransAm car, for many years.
I'd stop short of the numbers & lettering, though, mainly so there's no way the car could be misrepresented; or if any of that stuff was registered or trademarked.
The only other issues would be lights, mufflers, and how street-friendly the engine could be while still retaining the raw animalism.

Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Centerline] #2561081
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Every time I look at my 64 fury I think the same thing. im not a fan of the currant nascar thing but I think its wild that guys used to run those cars balls to the walls back then. I cant imagine running 100 plus mph in those cars like they did. Oh sorry im running off a little........Do it, make it fast and loud


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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Centerline] #2561083
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I have a ‘72 Charger that is a great street car but I too keep toying with the idea of cloning something very close to the Petty car or one of the other ones on the circuit at that time. But I agree with what has been said it has to be loud (cut outs ok with side exhaust) and nasty. No A/T and if it has graphics they must be as authentic looking as possible. It cannot be built for a long haul but hopping around close to home or trailering. It cannot be obvious it is an imposter. I think I would be fine having to tell the casual observer it is not the real thing if it fooled them at first.

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I would say to go for it, but I might be a little bias.

I probably disappoint some people because its not loud and radical sounding. Its far from pretty, up close it looks like it was at the track rubbing fenders last week, but I get many thumbs up everyplace I drive it. It gets driven a lot, and on long trips. Every gas or food stop is a conversation stop.

Outside of the "What year is it? (1948) & What kind of car is it?" (Plymouth business coupe) the next most asked question is "Do you still race it?" (No.) Most people assume it was a car from a track local to them and want to know if it was the one (fill in a name here) drove back in the day. (No, do you remember them driving a car like this one?)
Its all for the memories, I chose to remind people of their local tracks and better times. I leave most with smiling faces. Gene

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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Centerline] #2561191
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Years ago at Spring Fling a guy brought a re-creation of the K&K Insurance car. It is beyond awesome.

So I say build a re-creation and then go Vintage Racing.

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I know of several Magnums painted like when Petty drove one. Never did anything for me, and I know of another guy who's doing a replica of Frank Warren's #79 Magnum as well.


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An exacting clone of either you cant lose. The first car to debut the Hemi in 64 and kick the worlds azz, or the 67, the winningest NASCAR in history. What's not to like?

*Also FWIW, I am fairly certain that the 64 is a clone of the original, original of which was destroyed many years ago. Petty didn't keep many of his cars after they were retired, many of them got sold off and raced to death, scrapped, or buried behind his shop.




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Several times I thought about putting a windshield and lights back in but ultimately it ended up on the race track.

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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Forwardlook] #2564423
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Originally Posted By Forwardlook
Always wanted to do Mark Donohue's AMC Matador or Buddy Arrington's Imperial.


FWIW -Thread hijack alert - In 1/25 scale There's a new model company Salvino's JR models
https://salvinosjrmodels.com/

Right now they have done Buddy Bakers Gray Ghost and Donnie Allison's Hawaiian Tropic 79 Oldsmobile's.

So I called them and said it's really great to see these (I bought 'em of course, just too cool not to) and asked if they would do the Magnum's and Imperial and the guy I talked to (sounded like he was on the shop floor at an injection machine) said something along the lines of "yeah we'll look into those but we have to do the mid 70's Monte first" So finger's crossed!
I think he said they picked up the remnants of the Revell Monogram Nascar kits but I don't remember, it wasn't the easiest conversation but the jist of things were there. Real nice folks!


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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: Racer33] #2564428
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I've always wanted to do a tribute to this car, the before, not the after. The thought is still in the back of my mind as a work on my '57 Belvedere.

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Re: Retro Nascar [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #2564435
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Originally Posted By ScottSmith_Harms
An exacting clone of either you cant lose. The first car to debut the Hemi in 64 and kick the worlds azz, or the 67, the winningest NASCAR in history. What's not to like?

*Also FWIW, I am fairly certain that the 64 is a clone of the original, original of which was destroyed many years ago. Petty didn't keep many of his cars after they were retired, many of them got sold off and raced to death, scrapped, or buried behind his shop.





A lot of them ended up in the Petty junkyard behind their shop.

http://www.superbirdclub.com/pettyjunk.html

It was also common to "recycle" the chassis by installing new bodywork when the new models came out. I've seen a few cases on the net where the chassis from an earlier car was found in later sheetmetal, then restored to the earlier car with "new" sheetmetal. Don't know the specifics of the '64, though.

Regarding making a clone of a vintage NASCAR for the street, it should be kept in mind that back then bodies were massaged a little for tire clearance, etc., so depending on how close you want to be you will have to study vintage pics of the subject matter carefully to get the desired effect - but then that would affect your ability to return it to stock later on. I think in general, the early sixties cars are better for street versions of a clone as they retained much of the trim, roll up windows, etc.

To me, the most important details I see commonly missed on street versions are proper wheel style and tire size, and stance. If you get that right you're already halfway there IMHO. twocents

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