Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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justinp61
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Street/strip 69 Dart, 3350#, Cal Tracs and mono springs, 434" small block, made 703 hp on pump 93 with a 950HP (I know dyno numbers but it's what I have) on a engine dyno, it made 543 hp at the wheels on a chassis dyno with a BLP 1.59" venturi 4150 (1050-1100 according to BLP). So far it's ran 6.40 at almost 109 mph. On a pass last fall the fuel pump went out at about 400', looking at the slip from it's best run if it didn't pick up anying in the back half it would've ran 6.33 looking at the front half numbers from both slips.
4.125" stroke, 4.09" bore, ported Indy 360-1's, flow 330 @ .600", ported Indy intake, 268/271 @ .050", .711/.719" measured at the retainers Comp solid roller, 59° R1 block, 1 7/8" Hedman headers, 727 with 8" converter that flashes 4900, S-60 with 4.10 gears and 3.25 radials.
Honestly this combo has been a disappointment compared to my previous edelbrock headed 408 that ran 6.57 with a 1.38 60' and 104 mph at 3260#. The best 60' with the current combo has been 1.44. It seems I've spent a bunch of money for a little pick up. The converter has been worked on twice for the current combo.
Would it pick up with the intake opened up and a dominator?
Thanks Justin.
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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Might run a few hundreds quicker than the 4150 carb. My old W5 Duster was on dyno after i sold it. Made 708 That ran 140 in the quarter and 6 teens to give you an idea. That matches the dyno figure pretty closely. 3220, 727, s/s springs, 4.30 gear.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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Might run a few hundreds quicker than the 4150 carb. My old W5 Duster was on dyno after i sold it. Made 708 That ran 140 in the quarter and 6 teens to give you an idea. That matches the dyno figure pretty closely. 3220, 727, s/s springs, 4.30 gear. Was it a pump gas deal? According to the calculators I'm in the 650 hp range.
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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Might run a few hundreds quicker than the 4150 carb. My old W5 Duster was on dyno after i sold it. Made 708 That ran 140 in the quarter and 6 teens to give you an idea. That matches the dyno figure pretty closely. 3220, 727, s/s springs, 4.30 gear. Was it a pump gas deal? According to the calculators I'm in the 650 hp range. No.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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FWIW...I'd put a dominator on it. The 436" sbc in the Camaro we run liked it. 14:1, cnc'd AFR 23° heads, 3k lb car, glide w/ brake, 5.00 gear 9", ladder bars, etc. However, it didn't like the bigger 4500 flange manifold. Lost a lot of lowend torque due to the larger plenum volume. Ended up putting the 4150 flange w/ the 4500 adapter on it and ran better. Probably could have loosened up the converter to improve things, but still had the old manifold...so I just put it back on. Both manifolds were Edelbrock Victors.
CHIP '70 hemicuda, 575" Hemi, 727, Dana 60 '69 road runner, 440-6, 18 spline 4 speed, Dana 60 '71 Demon, 340, low gear 904, 8.75 '73 Chrysler New Yorker, 440, 727, 8.75 '90 Chevy 454SS Silverado, 476" BBC, TH400, 14 bolt '06 GMC 2500HD LBZ Duramax
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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IMO, your 1.59 main body has the wrong choice of boosters. BLP put in their modified Holley downlegs, which aren't going to have very good signal or shift recovery. I'm pretty sure a properly tuned 4500 carb would be a noticeable improvement, but so would a 4150 with a better match of booster type and venturi size. My feelings exactly.........you saved me from typing it all out. That being said, the other question is....... how much quicker does it have to be for you to feel the expense of a new carb was worth it? And, does that seem like a reasonable gain to get from a carb swap? Using the moroso chart........ I feel that ET’s reflecting 10% less than the engine dyno numbers should be able to be achieved in decent air with a reasonably well set up car. Take 10% off 703hp, you’re at 632hp. 632hpm@3350lbs shows 9.93@134.8. I don’t know if the car has been run in the 1/4 mile, but I’d take advantage of some cool fall air and see how the actual mph compares to the moroso chart. Btw, wasn’t that cam 263/271?
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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Dwayne you're probably right on the duration and on the HP too. We all know about dyno numbers, for me it was a tuning tool and the numbers are what we got. The track is giving me the real numbers.
What would you recommend on the boosters?
You're probably right on the $$ spent versus the et gain too. In a dedicated race car it would probably run better, being a street/strip deal it's a compromise.
All the tracks near me are 1/8 so it's never been on the 1/4.
I'm like most gear heads who always want to go faster and look for ways to do it. It's a disease, lol. You cant be that far from Bowling Green. Thats 1/4 mile. I would want to run it 1/4 mile just to see. You need to get the time off to come to Norwalk next year. Be cool to meet ya.
69 Dart GTS A4 Silver All steel, flat factory hood, 3360race weight 418 BPE factory replacement headed stroker, 565 lift solid cam Best so far, 10.40 @127 1/4 1.41 best 60 foot 6.60 at 103.90 1/8
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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What would you recommend on the boosters?
Not Dwayne, but I think you have only two options if you intend to stay w/ the same main body: 1. Braswell downleg boosters (which, IMO, should have been what was in it in the first place, if BLP insisted on downlegs) 2. Annulars Photo below shows a Holley Ultra HP 1.60" v w/ BLP .600"-ID 12-hole annulars on the left, and two other carb bodies (a Holley Ultra HP 1.58" v and QFT 1.50" v) that both have Braswells. BTW, the issue w/ insufficient booster signal can affect both the 60-ft and the overall ET & MPH. EDIT: I'd expect any booster change, especially if to annulars, could put your tune back to square 1. Not that I wouldn't like to see how it worked out for you, but "less expensive" might not mean "less effort" to get it dialed in.
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Re: Will a Dominator pick my car up?
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It’s my opinion that generally an annular discharge booster will have better atomization of the fuel than a downleg booster will.
They also generally get the main circuit activated sooner than a downleg.
For a motor in this cubic inch range, with modest compression, big heads and intake, moderate stall speed and gearing......... I think it would be a tough for a 4150 carb with a 1.590 Venturi and a downleg booster to provide as strong of a hit to the converter, or have as strong a shift recovery as if it had annular boosters instead....... assuming both configurations had been optimized.
There’s ET left in the cam as well....... for a price. Less spring/lifter life, less muffled friendly, etc.
Street/strip........ otherwise known as compromise/compromise.
68 Satellite, 383 with stock 906’s, 3550lbs, 11.18@123 Dealer for Comp Cams/Indy Heads
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