Peachy, another category I almost qualify for but I cut it up to much to get in.

That sounds like enough fun to build a car for..Which circuit is running this Mr. Fred???

"Cars must reflect the spirit of the class and era at the Race Director's discretion."

Doesn't sound like the folks writing the rules are aware of what was racing in pro stock back in the "era"

1. Tube chassis' were racing in pro stock starting at Pomona in 1972.

2. Aluminum heads AND blocks were racing in pro stock during the "era".

3. Dry sump systems were racing in pro stock in 1972.

4. Cars can weigh as light as they want to?

5. NO cubic inch limit?

I wonder how much traction this will get? I would love to see it take off..
Early years

I'd love to see it take off, too. I saw the piece on DRO, and that car is a small block!!

I really think the hang up is going to be the iron heads and blocks. Blocks are OK, but with the availability of Indy, Stage V, etc. compared to the availability of iron heads it will be tough. Same deal with the Chevy guys, and especially the Ford guys, who have nothing in the way of iron heads available. You will also need to allow automatic transmissions.

I know my friend Fred hates this thought.....and as a Hemi guy I can sympathize with how he feels....but I do think you've got to allow B1 and Indy headed MoPar wedges in. There is just too many out there.

Otherwise, it sounds good.....but you've got to have a class with more than a handfull of cars able to run.

But, what do I know? I am just a NSS guy.

At least the idea & up & developing. The best thing would be to let it run for a year, then see what develops. My guess is you'd see engine rule changes along with various chassis mods allowed, then hopefully (IMO), breaking it up to "pre 72" & "post 72" P/S type cars. that way you'd have a more even & affordable playing field without the anymosity between two different styles of cars in the same class.........

In talking with Mr. Troxel about the class, I got the feeling that what they really want is to turn back time to the early 70s. He asked me what my car ran. I told him 9.90s. He said perfect, we want cars running 9.60s-9.90s, we don't want 8 second cars. I think the class would be better as an exhibition class, rather than competitive, as this will quickly ( by the 3rd race ) be in the 8s with the no cubic inch/ no weight limit rules as they are now. As for automatic transmissions, nothing against people that run them, they are just boring to watch.

The rules they have in place right now will not get the desired result ( as they see it).

Iron heads and block..... decent HP #'s ..... 14x32 tire ....

60 foot times ? ..... 1.50 ? ....

Smoke City !

Funny that they say no tube chassis but the picture is Jenkin's Vega.

I have a new engine going together with AMC iron pro stock heads from Booths operation going in my R/W/B pro Stock Gremlin replica...but it's tube chassis...4-speed,twin dominators,etc...The perfect carIMO...I'm out It looks..

I think Danny White has a much better scenario and I especially like the 67-72 era cars also over 70-74.

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The nostalgia craze has taken a strong hold across the country. Almost all the classes of the sixties are represented from Top Fuel to blown 'slammers. But the class that epitomized Detroit's zeal for all out high performance is not represented. The class I am talking about is Pro Stock. I for one would love to see gear-slamming cars running nine seconds.

The key to the success of the class is to set clear and precise parameters. The cars would have to be '67 to '72 era. Cars that would be acceptable would be any that ran during that era. There would be no tubbed subframed cars, so you can leave your Pintos and Vegas home!

These cars would run big blocks and cast tunnel rams, no sheet metal types. To keep the costs under control, make them run wet sump oil systems and no trick MSD style ignitions. The big crowd catchers would be real four speed transmissions, no clutchless transmissions. I can see where you allow aftermarket racing transmissions that are stronger than the stock style. This would separate the men from the boys in the driving category.

I would not allow any tube frame cars or even tubbed cars. You can get 10.5-inch tires under the wheel wells. Slapper bars and old fashion torsion bars would be the only acceptable traction devices. The reason I dictate this is that the first Pro Stockers were real cars and this would keep cost down. Every time a major innovation took place in 1970s Pro Stock, there was a drop in the number of racers. Prime examples of this were the Grumpy Jenkins Vega and a year later, the Lenco transmission.

The only acceptable wheels would be era-correct Cragar S/Ss, Keystones, Fentons, etc. No new style wheels and no modern hood scoops. Instead of the old weight break system that choked Pro Stock racing almost to death, we would go with a 3,000-lb. Minimum weight, 470 cubic inch maximum to start with. Some racers might have to add weight, but most racers would have to gut the cars to get to that weight.

The only necessary modern equipment would be safety equipment. Full roll cages would be mandated because the cars would have to be NHRA/SFI legal. It is hard to say what these cars could run. I think high eights or low nines might be possible and would be entertaining to say the least. The cost to run these shows could be low so the small tracks where it would be best to run them could afford them.

Well that's it. Tell me what you think and drop me line at ddgw@valornet.com with your ideas.

Danny White

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Rickster

Yeah,I`m with you "390".
My Cuda` will be stick and meets the criteria except for the "modified" firewall.
I`m sure none of the ProStocks EVER had anything modified!!!!!
They were pure as the driven snow......
There has been several classes formed in recent years and my car never is allowed in any of them.

The NHRA punished me for going to fast,and the classes for making changes to go fast.

Fred,part of what gets me upset is that most of these classes are just TOO specific on what the car must have UNDER the sheetmetal.
The spectators who will make or break any attempt at this don`t care what dia. tube is in the rollbar.
IF a car has the Look" and the "cook" whats not to like?
I`m right with you on the index thing,otherwise there will be so much E.T. range that again the spectators will lose interest.
Maybe something along the lines of PINKS?
You make qulifying runs,must be within a certain percentage. So at one event theres 16 cars running between 9.70 and 9.90 thats the class today,those outside are bumped to a Comp/or OUTLAW class. And run off against each other.
I think the index would keep things from getting out of hand. Give some guys an opportunity to go fast and they eat your lunch. I for one could not afford to keep up with a ever changing performance standard.

I think I posted this before, but if I hadn't:

1) Car & engine from same American manufacurer.
2)2 classes-- pre '72 & post 72(tube chassis permitted
3)'67- '78 cars only.
4)600 cu.in. limit
5)alum. heads/block allowed
6) NO autos/clutchless trans in pre'72 cars
7) stock dash & interior required
8)no forced induction or nitrous
9) no sheetmetal intakes
10)no 'glass bodies (bolt on 'glass allowed)
11)dry sumps allowed
12)tube chassis runs on an 8.00 index, non-tube cars, 9.50.

This was kind of off the top of my head, but I think you guys see the appeal & how it would allow alot of racers to run their cars as they sit NOW without alot of modifications, if any.
Thoughts?