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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: Jamey] #2547598
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Originally Posted By Jamey
Did you speak to someone at Jegs or get an email notification?


Both. Apparently there are 8 4.24 rough bore blocks back-ordered at this time.

The estimated shipping is 9-20, but we all know what that means.

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Ok, thanks Darren. I saw this post and put an order in too. I’m probably one of the eight. I didn’t get a notification of backorder though. Wasn’t getting my hopes up anyways since they haven’t been available for so long.

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Originally Posted By Jamey
Ok, thanks Darren. I saw this post and put an order in too. I’m probably one of the eight. I didn’t get a notification of backorder though. Wasn’t getting my hopes up anyways since they haven’t been available for so long.


No problem, Here's hoping we both can get our hands on one before we hit the nursing home!

Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: blowndart] #2548175
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Originally Posted By blowndart
Originally Posted By rickseeman
I thought Bill Mitchell had been making aluminum blocks for years?

He was, but he stopped making them a few years ago. He just started talking about producing them again this year with some improvements. Looks like he shipped some recently and is tweaking it again before shipping more, later this year.


I talked to him a while ago and he said he had 50 blocks unmachined. He said when Chrysler pulled out of world and took all the machine out and left him high and dry with no one to machine the raw blocks.


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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: 440lebaron] #2548618
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Is there a chance that any of these are going to machined to be wedge blocks? Does anyone know what the current part number is for the 4.310 and 4.500 wedge 440 blocks?

Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: Dodger440] #2548625
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Originally Posted By Dodger440
Is there a chance that any of these are going to machined to be wedge blocks? Does anyone know what the current part number is for the 4.310 and 4.500 wedge 440 blocks?

Not sure current , but i just bought a new in box 4.310 wedge block today . It is about 10 years old though
And no it wasnt cheap like a chev thats for sure . But beggers cant be choosers

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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: 440lebaron] #2548630
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Paid $2600 in 2000 for a 4.310 mega block.I'm up to 4.385 these days!

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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: hemi-itis] #2548635
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Originally Posted By hemi-itis
Paid $2600 in 2000 for a 4.310 mega block.I'm up to 4.385 these days!



I wish
Along with everyone else who needs a decent block

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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: 440lebaron] #2548830
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Good luck,many advertise the blocks but don't have them.I have talked to many suppliers that tell me they can get me blocks but when I place an order for 6 or more things get quiet.The few that I have been able to secure were only able to be bored .030 and were at minimum at that.They also needed a lot of corrected machine work.Be wary of what you find.I know guys who have been sitting on questionable blocks waiting for the opportunity to cash in.For myself I'll build aluminium before iron. whistling shruggy

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Originally Posted By B G Racing
Good luck,many advertise the blocks but don't have them.I have talked to many suppliers that tell me they can get me blocks but when I place an order for 6 or more things get quiet.The few that I have been able to secure were only able to be bored .030 and were at minimum at that.They also needed a lot of corrected machine work.Be wary of what you find.I know guys who have been sitting on questionable blocks waiting for the opportunity to cash in.For myself I'll build aluminium before iron. whistling shruggy


Thats interesting, the problems you mention have been with the latest hemi blocks released 1-2 years ago? I know of 4 of them built with no issues and I have one of my own still in the box I'm waiting to build some day, maybe. Guess my guys have been lucky to not have any issues. Ive heard others on here have good luck too with them. Thats too bad some are not up to par.

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It’s my understanding that the last groups of world iron blocks were fine. They were sold right up until Mopar pulled the plug. I bought one of those from an individual long after they were discontinued. I think he got it from either Jegs, Summit or Mancini. The paper work came with it. All these new blocks that have been talked about are the ones in question.

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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: 440lebaron] #2549925
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My scheduled ship date from Jeg's was yesterday so I emailed them. This morning they came back and said 11/5.


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Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: rickseeman] #2549953
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Originally Posted By rickseeman
My scheduled ship date from Jeg's was yesterday so I emailed them. This morning they came back and said 11/5.


Same here.

Re: M/P HEMI BLOCKS [Re: 440lebaron] #2550155
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With a little help and detective work, I've figured out the machining facility. They are Michigan based.

We haven't quite figured out the foundry yet, however if this mark (attached) is present then these would be the old castings made in Warsaw Indiana which were sitting after Royal Oak boring quit, which my former colleague Dale had mentioned to several racers.

We can't go by dates on the block, because those just indicate when they were machoned. MP never required a separate casting date.

Lots of questions. Would this foundry produce castings again? Are the core boxes/remaining foundry tools still there? Did some genius bean counter scrap the tooling?

I might give the machine shop a call Monday to see if they would be willing to discuss what they have.

Btw, anyone remember the final version of the prior generation water block, how...at the very end, most of them were really smooth, nice looking castings...they had a rough start but, finally everything was nice, and then of course the plug was pulled....well, the foundry that cast those was bought up by the company that cast the "world" (technically Chrysler) block. Wonder if those tools to make the water block still exist also. All our eggs are kinda in one basket.

Somebody at MP (or is it "dodge" these says since nobody else does motorsports) ....whoever it is should negotiate with DF and get them kicked off again, since there's a machine shop all set to go. And then, after that is fixed do whatever needed, repair the tools and pay MC whatever they need, and reboot the water block too. It appears they have in-house machining, if capacity is an issue. I gotta wonder if anyone is looking at this stuff.

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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
With a little help and detective work, I've figured out the machining facility. They are Michigan based.

We haven't quite figured out the foundry yet, however if this mark (attached) is present then these would be the old castings made in Warsaw Indiana which were sitting after Royal Oak boring quit, which my former colleague Dale had mentioned to several racers.

We can't go by dates on the block, because those just indicate when they were machoned. MP never required a separate casting date.

Lots of questions. Would this foundry produce castings again? Are the core boxes/remaining foundry tools still there? Did some genius bean counter scrap the tooling?

I might give the machine shop a call Monday to see if they would be willing to discuss what they have.

Btw, anyone remember the final version of the prior generation water block, how...at the very end, most of them were really smooth, nice looking castings...they had a rough start but, finally everything was nice, and then of course the plug was pulled....well, the foundry that cast those was bought up by the company that cast the "world" (technically Chrysler) block. Wonder if those tools to make the water block still exist also. All our eggs are kinda in one basket.

Somebody at MP (or is it "dodge" these says since nobody else does motorsports) ....whoever it is should negotiate with DF and get them kicked off again, since there's a machine shop all set to go. And then, after that is fixed do whatever needed, repair the tools and pay MC whatever they need, and reboot the water block too. It appears they have in-house machining, if capacity is an issue. I gotta wonder if anyone is looking at this stuff.


Where is the LIKE BUTTON for this? Good idea Zippy. I hope you can use yoru connections and pull it off. b
Be nice to have the 426 HEMI block available again at an affordable price that could compete with the Chevy and Ford stuff. Heck if they can make FE ford blocks and have them readily available, then we should have HEMI blocks and have them readily available too.


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Thanks. The volume is really low on our stuff compared to the other brands, it's harder to justify but not impossible to justify. Especially when crate engines can be sold.

It's a weird deal as I haven't worked there since 2013, but luckily am on good terms with enough folks to communicate a bit.


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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Thanks. The volume is really low on our stuff compared to the other brands, it's harder to justify but not impossible to justify. Especially when crate engines can be sold.

It's a weird deal as I haven't worked there since 2013, but luckily am on good terms with enough folks to communicate a bit.




How is big block Chrysler volume lower than FE ford stuff? Or Pontiac?

It can't all be "volume" sold because it doesn't make sense. I mean how many pontiacs are out there? My bet is the Chrysler stuff is 10:1 over Pontiac at a bare minimum.


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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
Thanks. The volume is really low on our stuff compared to the other brands, it's harder to justify but not impossible to justify. Especially when crate engines can be sold.

It's a weird deal as I haven't worked there since 2013, but luckily am on good terms with enough folks to communicate a bit.




How is big block Chrysler volume lower than FE ford stuff? Or Pontiac?

It can't all be "volume" sold because it doesn't make sense. I mean how many pontiacs are out there? My bet is the Chrysler stuff is 10:1 over Pontiac at a bare minimum.


Other internal brands. Mopar OEM replacement parts, Mopar Accessories, Mopar Reman, and so forth. These are not all the same thing.

Pull out a 2005 MP catalog and look for late model cold air intakes.
P4510832 is one that I remember from cars built at that time. Then, try to find one for a 2018 model, and you'll find the part numbers are all 770-series. No longer a Performance part. Well gee whiz, what happened there?

Which product lines make the most profit for the least amount of manpower? Consider one commodity alone, sheetmetal, for any OEM. What are the profit margins of sheetmetal vs. an engine block out of production since 1972. If a manager's worth/future employment is based on profit alone, which will he or she dedicate more resources towards?

Lastly, in a thread about $3000+ hemi blocks, I'm not sure why big block Chrysler as a whole would be brought up. 99% of them are oem Wedge blocks, and not every customer wants to step up.


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Originally Posted By ZIPPY
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Thanks. The volume is really low on our stuff compared to the other brands, it's harder to justify but not impossible to justify. Especially when crate engines can be sold.

It's a weird deal as I haven't worked there since 2013, but luckily am on good terms with enough folks to communicate a bit.




How is big block Chrysler volume lower than FE ford stuff? Or Pontiac?

It can't all be "volume" sold because it doesn't make sense. I mean how many pontiacs are out there? My bet is the Chrysler stuff is 10:1 over Pontiac at a bare minimum.


Other internal brands. Mopar OEM replacement parts, Mopar Accessories, Mopar Reman, and so forth. These are not all the same thing.

Pull out a 2005 MP catalog and look for late model cold air intakes.
P4510832 is one that I remember from cars built at that time. Then, try to find one for a 2018 model, and you'll find the part numbers are all 770-series. No longer a Performance part. Well gee whiz, what happened there?

Which product lines make the most profit for the least amount of manpower? Consider one commodity alone, sheetmetal, for any OEM. What are the profit margins of sheetmetal vs. an engine block out of production since 1972. If a manager's worth/future employment is based on profit alone, which will he or she dedicate more resources towards?

Lastly, in a thread about $3000+ hemi blocks, I'm not sure why big block Chrysler as a whole would be brought up. 99% of them are oem Wedge blocks, and not every customer wants to step up.


Hard to step up to buy something that refuses to exist.

There is obviously a market there because even with the retarded pricing they are still sold out. You put BBC blocks at the Mopar price point and those sales will evaporate too.

If there was a foundry that was owned and run by a Mopar fan instead of a GM fan, things might change. The current players are only interested in selling what they want to sell more so than what people want to buy.

JMHO.

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Thanks. The volume is really low on our stuff compared to the other brands, it's harder to justify but not impossible to justify. Especially when crate engines can be sold.

It's a weird deal as I haven't worked there since 2013, but luckily am on good terms with enough folks to communicate a bit.




How is big block Chrysler volume lower than FE ford stuff? Or Pontiac?

It can't all be "volume" sold because it doesn't make sense. I mean how many pontiacs are out there? My bet is the Chrysler stuff is 10:1 over Pontiac at a bare minimum.


Other internal brands. Mopar OEM replacement parts, Mopar Accessories, Mopar Reman, and so forth. These are not all the same thing.

Pull out a 2005 MP catalog and look for late model cold air intakes.
P4510832 is one that I remember from cars built at that time. Then, try to find one for a 2018 model, and you'll find the part numbers are all 770-series. No longer a Performance part. Well gee whiz, what happened there?

Which product lines make the most profit for the least amount of manpower? Consider one commodity alone, sheetmetal, for any OEM. What are the profit margins of sheetmetal vs. an engine block out of production since 1972. If a manager's worth/future employment is based on profit alone, which will he or she dedicate more resources towards?

Lastly, in a thread about $3000+ hemi blocks, I'm not sure why big block Chrysler as a whole would be brought up. 99% of them are oem Wedge blocks, and not every customer wants to step up.



You made my point. The reason no one makes blocks for Chrysler guys isn't a volume issue. It's a spending issue.

The cheapskate Chrysler guys won't buy it. Then when the stuff isn't made any more they [censored] like a bunch of blue hairs at a Sunday brunch.


It has nothing to do with volume, unless the volume of which you speak is the volume of cheap assed Chrysler guys who will run a 50 year old clapped out block that was never designed to take the geometry guys are now using, at RPM's never considered and throw some cement in it with aluminum caps and a girdle and call that good.

In that, we as Chrysler people have a volume issue.


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