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For that Ultimate Sweptline Build #2545627
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I stumbled upon this this morning, it is pricey but very nice.
http://gerstsuspensions.com/products/gts-ifs/

No more pirating suspensions from Crown Vics! Or Diplomats! Or Dakotas!

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: dogdays] #2545690
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Wow, isn't that cool! I know the suspension improved greatly after '71, but I wish they offered that through at least 1980.

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: dogdays] #2545693
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That is a little rich for my blood. Costs a good bit more than the truck itself would.

Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: mgoblue9798] #2545694
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Originally Posted By mgoblue9798
That is a little rich for my blood. Costs a good bit more than the truck itself would.
Yeah, but that's a beefy kit that would last a lifetime. So if you owned a truck that was your baby and was going to be kept for a lifetime, I can definitely see spending the money.

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: dogdays] #2545913
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It might be a beefy kit, but the ball joints, tie rod ends, springs and shocks, and the rack will still wear out in time.

I can swap a lot of real car and truck suspension systems from junk yards with everything rebuilt into a Swepty for a lot less money then that kit. Gene

Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: poorboy] #2545978
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ive heard the crown vic front suspension works well in a sweptline


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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: poorboy] #2546160
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Originally Posted By poorboy
It might be a beefy kit, but the ball joints, tie rod ends, springs and shocks, and the rack will still wear out in time.

I can swap a lot of real car and truck suspension systems from junk yards with everything rebuilt into a Swepty for a lot less money then that kit. Gene
I'd bet I would get well over 100,000 miles out of everything on there. Of course everything wears out over time! But the performance from this system has to be factored in too. Your time and effort is $$$ as well. And, for people like myself who don't have the time nor the ability to build their own, I think this is a great option. It would so GREATLY improve the ride and handling of that gen truck. That brake upgrade alone is worth plenty.


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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: larrymopar360] #2546249
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If we spent only what we really needed, we'd all be driving Hyundai Accents.

Compare the cost to:
A new engine
5 or 6-speed transmission or OD automatic
A decent paint job
etc.

Gerst has an excellent reputation. The suspension was designed specially for this vehicle. The suspension was designed to work correctly.

The last Ford Panther platform has a very nicely unitized front suspension which I believe is a little too wide, so one has to use wheels with the center way out by the outside. They look kind of goofy. But it probably has very good geometry.

I've made many long trips in my '64Dog and it is work to drive 600 - 900 miles in a day. It would have been much easier with a decent independent front suspension.

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: larrymopar360] #2546488
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Originally Posted By larrymopar360
Originally Posted By poorboy
It might be a beefy kit, but the ball joints, tie rod ends, springs and shocks, and the rack will still wear out in time.

I can swap a lot of real car and truck suspension systems from junk yards with everything rebuilt into a Swepty for a lot less money then that kit. Gene
I'd bet I would get well over 100,000 miles out of everything on there. Of course everything wears out over time! But the performance from this system has to be factored in too. Your time and effort is $$$ as well. And, for people like myself who don't have the time nor the ability to build their own, I think this is a great option. It would so GREATLY improve the ride and handling of that gen truck. That brake upgrade alone is worth plenty.


I'm no suspension expert (not even a keyboard one wink ) but, one major thing I see going for this kit are the use of actual production type bushings, tie rods, etc, etc. Look at other after market kits, a majority of them use heim joints, Is a heim joint in a harsh environment (re: something that gets driven) gonna last 100K miles or even a third of that?

And, they claim no hacking on the truck's frame. With a Crown Vic swap, doesn't the frame have to modified to allow the cross member to sit properly?

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: dogdays] #2547338
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Originally Posted By dogdays
If we spent only what we really needed, we'd all be driving Hyundai Accents.

Compare the cost to:
A new engine
5 or 6-speed transmission or OD automatic
A decent paint job
etc.

Gerst has an excellent reputation. The suspension was designed specially for this vehicle. The suspension was designed to work correctly.

The last Ford Panther platform has a very nicely unitized front suspension which I believe is a little too wide, so one has to use wheels with the center way out by the outside. They look kind of goofy. But it probably has very good geometry.

I've made many long trips in my '64Dog and it is work to drive 600 - 900 miles in a day. It would have been much easier with a decent independent front suspension.

R.

Well written. My '67 D100, as much as I loved that truck, was so harsh on the road to say the least. Over even small bumps was really bad, and brakes were awful too. This system encompasses everything and as written, it's built for truck. That's huge! Also, if you've driven a Crown Vic, definitely nothing to brag about. Even our Police package ones are way too softly sprung and float over the road and leave a whole lot to be desired. They are dinosaurs now. And look at those tubular UCA's and the huge brakes, along with the steering shaft and other obviously high quality stuff.

On a side note, in mechanics school, my instructor said when he was in the Air Force, they used that gen Dodge truck (straight axle), and they used to get them into alignment with a sledge hammer, lol.


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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: dogdays] #2547397
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The last Sweptline truck we did we just swapped the frame from a 78 Dodge 1/2 ton in place of the 70 1/2 ton frame. We didn't have any issues and it worked great.
Its a different time now, anything older then a 94 is gone from yards, and I'm not real impressed with the modern chassis. I guess the subframe would be a huge improvement, its just getting past the upfront cost. The strange thing is it doesn't bother me a bit to shell out $1,000 for a stand alone EFI harness. Must be the welder in me. Gene

Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: poorboy] #2548733
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I bought one of Carls fronts for my Belvedere , it was / is a nice piece and works and fit perfect


The front on my Sweptline was built by Fatman , 15 years later, still works perfect

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Re: For that Ultimate Sweptline Build [Re: bigdad] #2549245
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Fatman is one of the OGs.

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