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Re: Do these head gasket cooling slots look ok? [Re: 4406bbl] #2542294
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Originally Posted By 4406bbl
CompSyn, could you shoot a picture of the other side of the original gasket at the slot?


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Originally Posted By CompSyn
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CompSyn, could you shoot a picture of the other side of the original gasket at the slot?


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Pic looks like a round hole on left and a slot, also maybe block had the hourglass openings not just a single round hole, or is it an optical illusion. Trying to figure out if narrow slots were designed for hourglass blocks. Can confirm max wedge also were stock with .375 gasket

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Originally Posted By 4406bbl
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CompSyn, could you shoot a picture of the other side of the original gasket at the slot?


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Pic looks like a round hole on left and a slot, also maybe block had the hourglass openings not just a single round hole, or is it an optical illusion. Trying to figure out if narrow slots were designed for hourglass blocks. Can confirm max wedge also were stock with .375 gasket


It’s apparent to me that the coolant was in a high acid state at some point. It caused a lot of corrosion including eating away at the steel freeze plugs and head gaskets. The original head gaskets had normal slots when new.

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Thanks.

Re: Do these head gasket cooling slots look ok? [Re: moparx] #2542646
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That's what I was thinking.

Re: Do these head gasket cooling slots look ok? [Re: 70B5Cuda] #2542652
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I say punch the holes bigger and see what happens. If it doesn't work all you have lost is time and a set of head gaskets.

Re: Do these head gasket cooling slots look ok? [Re: 70B5Cuda] #2542904
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Originally Posted By 70B5Cuda
I have been chasing the cause of my 440 overheating problem here.....(https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2509662/1.html)

.....and for a couple reasons, I've convinced myself that it had to be the head gaskets. I've been through all the normal stuff (180 t-stat, no t-stat, radiator check, installed spring in lower radiator hose, new coolant, new water pump, checked engine timing, new coolant temp sensor, different temp gauges (2), installed clutched fan (had a fixed fan when I got it), etc and nothing has helped. Also, the upper radiator hose barely has any coolant flowing through it; my survivor 69 Charger with completely original 383 has much more pressure in the upper radiator hose.

I pulled the heads this morning and the saw a couple things. 7 or 8 pistons were kissed at one time or another.....but anyway, the cooling slots seemed suspect. They look way too small. What do you think-could this be the source of my problems? And does anyone have pictures of what the slots would look like? I've read that they were much wider on the original head gaskets. If anyone has modified the slots, does anyone have any pictures? Thanks



The lack of coolant flow back to the radiator bothers me.Even if the slots in the head gaskets were to small,or even to big,you should still have good flow into the radiator.I think I would be looking at possibly the impellers on the waterpump are to far away from the back of the w.p. housing and there is a cavitation problem or possibly there is a rot hole internal on the pump housing and the coolant isn't making it into the block.
There is a lot of big block Mopars out there running head gaskets w/the small slots that don't have overheating problems.I really believe the problem lies elsewhere.


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You need to remove waterpump housing, check all passages for casting flash including both ends of heads, run a garden hose thru the heads and block to be sure nothing is blocked, after that it is the radiator or the .060 over block. Making the slots .375 will not hurt anything, I gave the math calculations, but doubt it makes your problem go away, I could be wrong and would be happy if I am.

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I can't see the pictures but the size of the slots are not your problem , there are thousands of big block mopars out there with the same head gaskets.

I have a friend that had a similar issue that nothing he did would fix, his engine was also .060 over ....


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Originally Posted By JohnRR
I can't see the pictures but the size of the slots are not your problem , there are thousands of big block mopars out there with the same head gaskets.

I have a friend that had a similar issue that nothing he did would fix, his engine was also .060 over ....
I have to agree with John. I think at least part of the over heating issue you have is your .060 over bore. That much bore usually makes a 440 engine run on the warm side. Boring a 440 motor.060 over is great for a race engine that only gets run for a few minutes at a time, but not a street driven car. Is this a numbers matching motor to your car?

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Originally Posted By BlueRacer69
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I can't see the pictures but the size of the slots are not your problem , there are thousands of big block mopars out there with the same head gaskets.

I have a friend that had a similar issue that nothing he did would fix, his engine was also .060 over ....
I have to agree with John. I think at least part of the over heating issue you have is your .060 over bore. That much bore usually makes a 440 engine run on the warm side. Boring a 440 motor.060 over is great for a race engine that only gets run for a few minutes at a time, but not a street driven car. Is this a numbers matching motor to your car?


It is not the numbers matching block. I was just getting ready to sell the car and I can't sell it with an overheating issue.


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I was just thinking of something. You said you replaced the water pump, but what about the water pump housing? You stated that when you looked into the radiator the flow of water seem slow. There once was a aftermarket aluminum water pump housing on the market that a lot of people had problems with. It seems the water passages were to small and caused motors to run hot. Lay a magnet on your housing a see if its iron or aluminum. If its aluminum try to see the brand.

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Originally Posted By 70B5Cuda
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I can't see the pictures but the size of the slots are not your problem , there are thousands of big block mopars out there with the same head gaskets.

I have a friend that had a similar issue that nothing he did would fix, his engine was also .060 over ....
I have to agree with John. I think at least part of the over heating issue you have is your .060 over bore. That much bore usually makes a 440 engine run on the warm side. Boring a 440 motor.060 over is great for a race engine that only gets run for a few minutes at a time, but not a street driven car. Is this a numbers matching motor to your car?


It is not the numbers matching block. I was just getting ready to sell the car and I can't sell it with an overheating issue.


Not sure what to tell you then, you have a list of cars in your sig, try a rad out of another car and see what happens, or try that rad in another of your cars .

What water pump and what water pump housing are currently on the engine? Does your radiatorhave a shroud ? Fan type, fixed or thermo coupled ??


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My 440 is .080 over, no cooling issues at all. Its not the overbore, we have lots of customers cars at .060 engines and no issues. One engine we took apart due to overheating that was "rebuilt" had lots of crud in waterjacket but big issue was old core plugs pushed into the water jacket and left there! Originals are thinner cup shape and one made it up to passage closer to pump, very poor flow resulted.
Some aftermarket pumps have very small impellers, some others are 1/2" away from the curved surface in the housing! Is there a big chunk of crud blocking passages in the radiator?
Deleting the thermostat without some type of restricter nearly always overheats.

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Originally Posted By cudacar340
My 440 is .080 over, no cooling issues at all. Its not the overbore, we have lots of customers cars at .060 engines and no issues. One engine we took apart due to overheating that was "rebuilt" had lots of crud in waterjacket but big issue was old core plugs pushed into the water jacket and left there! Originals are thinner cup shape and one made it up to passage closer to pump, very poor flow resulted.
Some aftermarket pumps have very small impellers, some others are 1/2" away from the curved surface in the housing! Is there a big chunk of crud blocking passages in the radiator?
Deleting the thermostat without some type of restricter nearly always overheats.


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Originally Posted By cudacar340
My 440 is .080 over, no cooling issues at all. Its not the overbore, we have lots of customers cars at .060 engines and no issues. One engine we took apart due to overheating that was "rebuilt" had lots of crud in waterjacket but big issue was old core plugs pushed into the water jacket and left there! Originals are thinner cup shape and one made it up to passage closer to pump, very poor flow resulted.
Some aftermarket pumps have very small impellers, some others are 1/2" away from the curved surface in the housing! Is there a big chunk of crud blocking passages in the radiator?
Deleting the thermostat without some type of restricter nearly always overheats.


What year is that block , I ASSuME you sonic checked it before going that far out?


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Most of these suggestions do not address the low flow issue and that is where the effort needs to be concentrated. Stop worrying about the over bore, the fan, the shroud, thermostat and any of that other stuff. Look for the issues that will cause a low flow condition and you'll find your problem.


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